Lockdowns work.

Victoria Australia hasn't had an infection or a death for almost 2 months.

How's it going in the US?

No, it's one of the best examples of how to properly manage a pandemic. That's how we get to have 59 days without a case of infection.

The kiwis got it mostly right in the first wave.  Melbourne got it right in the second.

Herd immunity does not work, not when your loved ones are part of the herd, as are you.

I kinda prefer enduring pain for the greater good than being selfish and gambling on everyone I know or care about being quaintly out of the 1%, and helping the spread and endangering my fellow countrymen.

Yes, I know....it's pointless 'debating'.

Look at how irresponsible and dirty they were!

Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment

Government imposes mandatory measures after failing to contain new surge in infections

How about 60 days with zero infections ....in Victoria which had the strictest lockdown....[and we were the worst state in Oz back then]...and the result was a 'normal' Christmas.  Meanwhile, the US today recorded 3800 deaths in one day....and they're treating patients in ambulances in the UK because they're reaching critical mass....the time when people who might recover won't...simly because there's no-one available to treat them all.

Irrefutable proof that lockdown works.

No matter how the deniers want to spin it.  It does work.

In fact....it's the only thing that will.  10s of thousands of people will die world wide before the roll-out of vaccines is wide-spread enough to put a dent in the figures.  That's going to take much of 2021.

If your idiot neighbours value 'freedom' over life....just save yourself and self-isolate.

Those beach/saltwater virus strains are bugger all.

What you report does not falsify my hypothesis/suspicion.  Only time will tell.

Lockdowns have negative trade-offs that have not really been fairly acknowledged, let alone been objectively measured.  That's not being a 'denier' (which I consider a garbage term, no offense).

There are pretty dramatic cultural and demographic differences, to say the least, but my state is roughly comparable to Victoria in population (7.2mil here, maybe 6.5mil there) and configuration (1 major metropolis).  The people here are highly compliant with lockdown rules, masking and social distancing (more rural, low-incidence areas less so, of course).  Despite that we are being hit hard with a second wave significantly worse than the first in terms of cases/day (peak is ~60% higher so far).  Only saving grace, such as it is, the number of deaths/day is no worse than in the first wave and overall mortality has actually been dropping with the increase in the numerator.  We humans get a little testy when we can't outsmart little bits of RNA.  I suspect that is due to ignorance (in the literal, not pejorative, sense) of this particular virus and faulty assumptions leading to faulty, ineffective policies.

Another interesting wrinkle to this is the near complete disappearance of (diagnosed) influenza this year which remains unexplained.

"Sure...commerce takes a hit...and that's a negative"   That's it?  Only negative is "commerce takes a hit?"  Poor and dead is OK?

"every transmittable disease is also reduced" except COVID?  If all that stuff works so great for influenza, why not for COVID?  Lots of places where COVID is rampant & flu way below norms.

I think its basically a bad idea when obedient humans goosestep off a cliff like lemmings to the communist Chinese model of lockdown. Lets follow the advice of the communists who infected us in the first place. Sounds real smart. The parts of the US that weren't locked down like South Dakota and Florida are doing quite well compared to festering Democrat sewers like NY, and California.

"The parts of the US that weren't locked down like South Dakota and Florida are doing quite well compared to festering Democrat sewers like NY, and California."

Take a look at Florida and California.

This is today's numbers.

Clearly not this one.

If there had been no government mandated lock downs, the virus would have and the out come would have been worse.