Yes, I also don't know any who are celebratory about having to abort their child as if they made the right decision.  

I do know of a  young lady who recently gave her child up via adoption.  It's an open adoption and from what I can see and understand it's a win-win for all.  The decision beforehand was excruciating for the very young mother and her family but now she's happy knowing she made the right decision   The baby is thriving in his new environment. 

KFC

Didn't mean to sound so sharp, it is just so simple for me to decide FIRST if there is merit, and if I do not find any, I try NOT to allow myself to be emotionally drawn into a fight because that is all you will find there.

Of course there is misery, death and destruction and people are crushed on both sides of the 'argument': But I thought the issue of abortion was the actual topic.

Thanks for the article and bringing the link to our attention and giving it this apt title.

Lies and lying propaganda that supports them keep the abortion pot boiling and the abortion industry rolling in the big bucks. That is what all these lies are really about.

These particular lies not only in the UK but all over the world have been spewed for quite some time.

I agree. Seen this before.  It doesn't work.   The girl I wrote about picked out and met the adoptive parents after going over many applicants.   While in the hospital she changed her mind because the nurse brought the baby in to her to nurse (they messed up) and that was that. 

So she brought the baby home to her mom's and the adoptive parent's dismay.  A month or two later she changed her mind when she realized how much work this was going to be.  Now because the adoption is open she'll be able to get updates of his well-being and I think visit him from time to time. 

[quote]Tell that to the thousands of women who have aborted their babies and lived to tell about it. Many of them are seen marching for life every January either at their state capitols or in Washington warning others NOT to abort their unborn children like they did. It was the trauma and guilt that pressed them to participate in these marches. [/quote]

Exactly. Many of these women belong to the campaign www.SilentNoMoreAwareness.org.

They also participate in the march and tell their stories exposing the abortion industry lies. They know for sure taht abortion has a negative side that is being hidden, denied and lied about.  

Lulu:

“sooooo exactly what are you trying to say BT?  Are you actually (gasp) on our side of the fence on this one?” Lulu, I do not have any fences, you do as you have just stated. You and I have already had this discussion (or was it Lulu?) and you already know I do not believe in infanticide so this is nothing but a dig at me, silly girl. Real righteous of you.

BoobzTwo:

“In order to seriously (come on) have this discussion; YOU have to accept the PRECONDITION that there is some merit in there ‘warped minds’ in order to be able to argue with them.”  It just seems straight forward to me. ????

Lulu:

Why do I have to accept anything from their "warped minds" to be able to argue with them?  Who says I want to argue?   I try to make it a point NOT to argue with someone with a warped mind because what good will it do besides take up valuable time that could be used elsewhere?  

1. I said you should not accept them or their arguments, so you and your anger are alone here.
2. You told me yourself (or was it KFC?) that you enjoy a good argument.
3. I am one of those warped minds you do not want to argue with … care to look at my previous articles?
4. I have been trying to tell yous guys that you have been wasting my time, but that did not denture you either did it.
5. So no, I do not think you are practicing Christianity here; you are being spiteful and hateful, so sad.
6. You have to use your eyes to see properly, not your anger, IMO.

BT posts:

 From the link KFC provided, we see the problem is that the pro-abortion advocates are spewing lies for the consumption of the general public.

We know it is lies becasue of common sense (pregnancy is natural and abortion is a violent act) and as DRG points out by simple math.

One vantage point is that it's always good to get info like this out....by sharing it with us on JU. We in turn may share it with others. Also, it's a learning curve...there are X number of people who may read this and not have ever known about it otherwise.

Actually they can't give examples in support of their agrument that giving birth is more hurtful to women than abortion, so they lie.

If one is pro-life ...his/her goal is to win the fight to end abortion on demand and restore protection to the innocent baby in the womb. Exposing pro-abortion warped arguments (lies) always matters.

Lulu:

If one is pro-life ...his/her goal is to win the fight to end abortion on demand and restore protection to the innocent baby in the womb. Exposing pro-abortion warped arguments (lies) always matters.

I wasn't talking about the morality, only the stupidity. The truth is that they can make arguments to support their morbid policies ... as evidenced by the appalling numbers of abortions. And you can bet they, the monsters will argue with you and tell you all about your lies …???. So we all sit around and argue why everyone else is wrong. Might as well pound your head into a wall (I speak from experience, hehehe).

This to me is just posturing and to what ends besides arguments I cannot see.  If you want to actually be constructive, I would think organizations like “Planned Parenthood” (and a gazillion others I suppose) should be if not shutdown, to at least attempt to shut down their funding. It is amazing how many things just go away when the $’s are removed from the arguments.  I guess I am pragmatic in matters where the opposition has no moral standing and I just refuse to allow them a foothold at the table … you do not think they are going to be convinced of anything you say do you ... as long as they have the $’s and Government support?

My suggestion would be to stop patting yourselves on the back … and DO SOMETHING … other than discuss (seemingly amongst yourselves only?) the merits and the right of it … You cannot win the battle if all you are willing to is talk … and who do you think all your exposing matters to … them???

KFC:

Here you go with the truth again. I don't know if you have noticed, but the truth seems to be losing most of the arguments today. But you seem to be happy waiting for the end of mankind to prove your truth. I prefer to do something about it now, because it is a moot point when all of us are gone. You cannot win the fight if all you do is talk about it.

Sorry about the way the quotes came out in my last post.



We are talking about human beings being murdered here IS not only my truth of truths, but the unversal truth of truths.

I surely do...glad you noticed. Shouldn't every one want to be true?

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Correct, the abortion rate has increased amongst teenage age girls up to 19.

Any objective person can only conclude taht the rise in abortion rates amongst this age group is becasue they are encouraged to be sexually active through institutionalized K-12th grade classroom Sex-Ed instruction innocuously disguised as "Health Education".  Planned Parenthood and its allies, a coalition of financially vested advocacy organizations, develop the Sex-Ed curriculum, teach the teachers the curriculum, provide the literature, books, videos, condoms, etc.

These organizations are the forces behind promoting so called responsible sexual behavior. The goal is not to discourage these girls from being sexually active, but to teach them how, when and where to acquire and use contraceptives . Abortion is discussed as an aspect of birth control.

Who gains when these girls become sexually active and when the so-called 'safe-sex' approach doesn't work? It would be PP and its allies wouldn't it?

Can you see what's happening here? PP and these very organizations have a whopper of a financial vested  interest in keeping these girls sexually active and when they become pregnant abortion results. 

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see that's where you don't get it BT being an atheist and all.  That's EXACTLY what we do need.  Theology is nothing but (Theos means God/ology means study of) the study of God. 

Maybe if we did it HIS way, we'd see how well it would work.  We've been doing it OUR way for so long.  No wonder we're all messed up.  So like Dr. Phil asks... "how's it working for ya?" 

 Christians CAN'T make other Christians.  It's impossible.  Doesn't happen like that.  We're not the ones that are giving birth.  It's God's job, not ours. 

... being an atheist and all ...