Brainwashing your children is pretty cool, I guess.

A lot of people were (and some still are) brought up to believe that racism is a good thing.  Doesn't make'em noble by any means. 

Funny for a nation whose focus is rights and individual freedoms there are so many still hung up on the idea of gay marriage just because some ol' book says a couple things about it.  

~Zoo

so you think the color of your skin is the same as having sex with the same gender?  You equate the two as equal? 

Sorry for quoting twice but your answer kinda got me curious. What do you consider brainwashing when speaking about children?

I can see where Perez is coming from. It can't be very pleasant to have someone tell you that you don't deserve marriage because only straight people can do it properly.

Deliberately antagonising a group of people who you know are likely to judge and/or hire you in fashion isn't a particularly good career move, but maybe it will work out for her in the end.

All this shows is there is a correct and incorrect answer, your opinion doesn't matter, unless it's the correct one. This is the college education most parents are paying for today, your replicating your kids professors ideas into your children. If you speak with most educators, they know everything, just ask one. They know what is best for your kids. Just like Pavlov's dog's.... your kids will bark the party talking points at the sound of the bell. Talk about brainwashing. Don't believe educational institutions are political? Just follow the money trail.

My understanding is she was actually ahead before this final round.  I cannot say for certain but that's what I've read.

So people should lose a contest because you didn't like the answer to a question you knew would upset you if not given the answer you wanted? Doesn't sound like a biased judge, seems more like payback, someone in a position to make others pay for some kind of suffering you went thru or are going thru. Why did the question have to be about gays? Why could it not be about something else that would not have such a painful reaction to the answer? Why should a small question be the defining point of such hard work in a show that was 95% based on physical beauty? These women don't go there cause they are ugly, fat and uneducated. So why should this simple question cost anyone any title? That's if it did of course, we are basically assuming at this point which in reality this whole argument is kinda pointless now that i think about it.

So you think people should keep their honesty to themselves? You think people should lie to avoid being punished by those who get offended and are in positions that could hurt you? I can see why so many people defend Obama.

People lose contests all the time because of that; a la politics. As for your question about the question, if I remember correctly,  I believe the question has to be about something current and (possibly?) controversial. I think the inention is to examine their skills in getting points across, etc.

Oh you know it, hun.

:Shudders:

Personally, I wouldn't say keep your opinions to yourself, but learn when and where to speak them. Sometimes there is the right time, and sometimes there is a wrong time; e.g. When you're in a room full of violent homosexuals, and you state that you don't agree with same-sex marriage,etc.  Sorry, but that's being a dumbass, no matter your opinion. Another example is in the case of my mother and (oddly enough) same-sex marriage. I'm a huge proponent/activist when it comes to that issue; however, I know damn well that my mother is vehemently against it. So, I keep my mouth shut on that issue, both out of respect for her, and because well I really don't feel like getting into an argument. In essence, I still have my opinions, no one is really suppressing them, and everyone is happy. Or lately, mildly pessimistic.

~Alderic

I honestly don't feel myself particularly impressionable at this age.  Children are easily manipulated, but 20 year olds?  Eh...may be stretching that a bit.  I think once you get towards the end of your teenage years you should be able to think for yourself.  People can push all they want, but I don't see how it would really affect someone unless you happen to agree.

Ah, but I'm probably having too much faith in people.  I do acknowledge the stupidity of a lot of my peers.

I'm a zoology major, so politics aren't really involved...I'm thankful for that.

~Zoo

Did anyone watchin GMA this morning? 

I did.  Pathetic and very informative as to which way the media is leading us. 

They showed the question and the answer and then they mentioned Perez's blog but only showed a very short clip when he said something like "she gave the worst possible answer in pagent history." 

I guess it's okay for him to give his opinion.........

That's it. 

They didn't show his extreme anger nor his very insulting and derogatory remarks made about this girl. 

In the end they gave him the last word about how she was polarizing.  And what was he doing on his blog??????  Showing love and peace? 

gimmie a break! 

Educating is about teaching people (children and adults) the necessary skills and information to survive in this world. If teaching them about God and Jesus is what a parent considers information necessary for survival then that's their decision, that does not constitute brainwashing because brainwashing means to force them into believing it as oppose to teaching them and hoping it sticks. Just because someone says "this is what I was raised to believe" does not mean they were brainwashed, it could also mean they chose to stick to those beliefs.

My dad was not much of a religious person, but my mom is a very dedicated Catholic, but even she can't go without breaking the rules from time to time. She did what she could to have me follow in her beliefs, but I chose to go with my own beliefs and while she does not like it, she accepts it. My beliefs are a cross between the basics of the Catholic Church (Or Christianity) with a sense of questioning. In other words, I can follow the basics such as not stealing, not murdering, not swearing in Gods name, but I can also question when certain things don't go with reality such as pre-mariage sex and not always believing that God will always save me. It's my choice to believe in what I want, regardless of my parents education. To me, brainwashing happens when a person should be perfectly capable of chosing but has no control over what they chose to believe. Children are not capable of making choices because they are not educated, period. That is what our society believes and it's the reason parents are responsible for their childrens actions till they are 18.

In the end it's all about choice, you can ether follow what you were taught as a child or you can chose to see things differently.

You gotta be more specific here Zoo, this is a whole lot of generalizing. Even not having a religion could still preach hate. This makes your point moot because brainwashing would then be normal human behaviour as oppose to a problem.

Hate is a strong word; as a person who has been to a Catholic, an Evangelical and a Christian Church (not sure exactly what kind of church it was), I was never taught or shown to hate but to love.

Well it's not a crime to be gay, but it seems to be a crime to be straight since it's the straight people the ones getting punished for not agreeing with gay beliefs. Personally, I have nothing against gay people. Love who you want marry who you want. But i still believe marriage is between a man and a woman. The girl herself did not say anything about how terrible, disgusting or how it should be against the law, she simply said she believe it should be a man and a woman. was that really wrong? Did she deserve to be called a bitch by this man on his site? Did she deserve to be called a bimbo or an idiot just because she was honest in her beliefs? If this is what our country is coming to, then I say the country should go to hell in the hopes that it will teach people a lesson.

I would rather not have the innocent pay from the crimes of the guilty, but at this point I see no other way. So be it.

I'm confused about this comment, you seem to be commenting as if the girl stated she doesn't want it to happen. She was actually happy that people have choice, but she would rather marry a man than a woman. That is "her" will. I think this whole argument has gotten lost. I now realize I am getting a sense that everyone thinks she was saying something along the lines of "gay marraiges should be illegal" when she clearly stated she wa s happy people have choices but she beleievsin marraige as a man and woman thing.

Couldn't say it better myself.  This is so right on.  No Christian student has a right to speak out against their professors in one of these classrooms.  If they dare,  they get pummeled and it's not pretty.    They have to keep their mouths shut for the sake of the grade......similar to what some think Miss California should have done. 

That's why so many parents all across the U.S. are taking their kids out of the government schools and also why the Christian colleges are packed out.  The discussion and debate is way more open....go figure. 

Really?  Where's your sources?  This comment shows me you didn't even watch the link I provided.  So you're making very leftist comments on something you don't even have full evidence about?   My previous blog on liberals making my head hurt is humming in my head right now....

but don't you see Charles....that's the name of the game right now....to get this agenda to pass much easier we need to keep our mouths shut and allow evil to triumph.  That's exactly what this is and you can see it plain and simple for any who has eyes to see.

Did you notice the aftermath of all this?  Compare and contrast Miss California's attitude during and after this squirmish and test the spirits for yourselves. 

A.D.  called Perez Hilton (some celebrity I never even heard of before) a small little man.  I hesitate to even call him a "man" because he didn't act like a man according to my definition. 

There's a stipulation here isn't there?  Admit it.  The stipulation is as long as you go with the current culture it's not brainwashing only education. 

Who's to say Miss California's parents didn't do EXACTLY as you define "education?"  How do you know her parent's "brainwashed" her as you said earlier?  You jumped to that conclusion because of her opinion.   Own it Zoo.   It doesn't match what the current culture is dictating so therefore it means she was brainwashed?

So tell me this Zoo.....how do you know you're not the one being brainwashed here?  Hmmmmm?

this comment right here gives credence to what Nitro said about the liberal colleges and the students who are following them.......again....who's being brainwashed? 

So being homosexual (having sex with the same gender)  is NOT a choice but is a gentetic factor?  You know this as a complete fact?  So you have no choice in choosing what gender you're going to have sex with (or abstaining) in the same way you have no choice to change your color you were obviously born with? 

now you're spreading lies here Zoo.  You're using Phelps as your example to do so.  Do you know the gospel?  Do you know what Christ (the founder and corner stone of the faith) taught?  What about Mother Teresa?  Didn't use her I noticed.  Jim Elliot?  Detrich Bonhoffer?  Richard Wumbrand?  What about the Amish Christians who were plasted all over the news a few years ago forgiving those who came into their compound and killed their people?  Did they preach hate or forgiveness?  What about Rachel Scott (Columbine)?  What about the countless Christians who gave their lives for another?  You have to go to Phelps for your proof?  His actions are not convicting him of a Christian faith.