I think bootcamp is not really teaching discipline as much as obedience and some set skills. Major disclaimer, I've never been to bootcamp. I'm willing to be corrected in this.
Here is where I'm coming from on the idea of discipline-- I'm not talking about the things that parents do to teach their children such as spanking or grounding or the things your drill sergeant makes you do if you screw up drill. I'm talking about the thing that makes people wash the dishes in a way that has them dry the sink when they're done; the things that drives people to finish a task and not give up on it; the thing that helps people stick to a diet or give up smoking. Can I separate this from being driven by fear?
Is this something that we're born with or is it something that can be learned? Given the profusion of self-help books I think that it's something a lot of people (me included) lack and haven't been able to achieve.
Again, to use the bootcamp reference, assuming that what I am learning uses fear as a motivation; a learn these things or the enemy will kill you situation. How many of the things learned in bootcamp will transfer into discipline in one's daily life? And of those examples one might find of people who seem to have made that kind of transfer, is this something that they truly learned in bootcamp or a mindset that came with already?
I really need to check out that book that Neggers was talking about. I haven't had time to re-listen to the lecture yet. I have a feeling though, that the original author doesn't go into a lot of detail about that.
I'm going to try to think of a really good analogy for what I am thinking. I only have half an analogy so far.
Look at it this way, if you spank your kid (discipline) for running out into the road without looking, the goal isn't really to teach him he's going to be 'disciplined' when he does this, the goal is to teach him not to do it in the first place, ie: to obey safety rules.
Exactly. It's also motivating with fear since the alternative to running out in the road is injury or death.
The term "willpower" is a misnomer, there is of course no power or force that exist that can be conjured up out of thin air to help us control our actions and reactions. However people can certainly be trained to have more control over their decisions, mostly by employing mind trickery and exercises similar to memory improvement exercises. Repetition can create new behavior norms but just like any other physical or mental attribute genetics is the baseline and the limiter of the self-discipline an individual possesses.
Chemical dependences can be impossible for some to overcome but the difference between those that do and those that don't is the level of Chemical imbalance that the dependency has caused in their brain, not so much the individuals level of self-discipline. We are all ultimately at the whim of electrochemical processes that are not under our control.
I agree with this. So discipline is innate, basically with a little "environment" to smudge the line a bit?
The only thing that disciplines me is my conscience....and my Husband, lol.
ha ha 
I guess it would depend on where the discipline is applied to. I am naturally disciplined in certain aspects of my life and lack a lot of discipline in others even when my mother tried to teach me as I grew up. Some kinds of discipline can be learned, but that is up to the person to want to learn.
So what are the aspects that inspire you to be disciplined? I know that you're saying motivation is the key, but can you narrow it down to some specifics? I'm just curious about what clicks it for you.
I think it is taught. Many things are inherited, but I have seen too many people diagnosed with "ADD" or "ADHD" that have discipline. It was a lot tougher for them to learn than me (perhaps you), but they did.
One of the elements of ADHD, as I understand it, is the ability to have incredible focus on things you are interested in. Edison is the most famous example of this aspect of ADHD according to a woman I worked with who had it.
