Bahu Virupaksha

Join Date 09/2004

The Surge is not working

Iraq will soon be free

It is a true sign of statesmanship to know when his policies are failing and take corrective steps. George Bush and his ally Tony Blair took their countries into a disastrous war in Iraq after having fudged the data to make a case for the war, ruined a fairly peaceful and stable country and inflicted death on at least 650,000 Iraqis and to top it all stand by idly when a sectarian civil war is tearing the country apart. George Bush would now understand how difficult it must have been to govern Iraq in the past and with the unleashing on the sectarian strife, the political future of Iraq does not seem too bright.

The US is now encouraging the Kurds in the north to assert themselves in much the same way that in the early days of the invasion they fanned the fires if Shiaa Identity politics. With every passing day violence has begun to engulf the northern part of Iraq and the USA seems to want a Kurdish state there. Once again it is certainly not in the interest of the USA to install a Kurdish state as it will exert a baleful influence on the politics of Turkey and the Kurds in Turkey will be encouraged. It appears that the USA wants fire and death in the region and is clearly sending out a message that any group will real or imagined grievances with the existing regimes will receive the patronage of the USA.

The destabilization of Somalia has already led to large scale violence and the horn of Africa is now a conundrum of Islamic nationalists, Al Qaeda Terrorists, war lords and criminals. In Afghanistan the War on Terror has denigrated into a full scale attack on the civilians and just yesterday 21 innocent men and children were killed in a NATO raid launched predictably from air.

The Bush policies have led to the growth of al Qaeda in parts of the world in which there was no trace of that Islamic organisation like Iraq, has undermined prospects of peace and stability in the region, alienated large sections of the non-white world, and has made the world a whole lot less secure. This will be the legacy of Bush and Blair.

During the course of the last two months the insurgency has become extremely sophisticated and even ther US counter insurgency tsar in Iraq Gen Petraeus has admitted that the US military has no response at all to the innovative use of IEDs made by the militias. It is now widely recognised by all that the militancy is sustained by homegrown militants with little,if any, support from outside. The US establishment is blind to the fact that the triumph of the Iraqi militants in Iraq is as much against the interests of the powers of the region as it is against the US interests. Yet US policy has failed to tap into that potential source for squelching the insurgency.

The Democrats have begun to assert their majority in Congress but with the use of the presidential veto there is the fear that the house democtrats are only playing to the gallery: willing to strike but not hurt.

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Idiot, the surge has barely started. What a mindless bigot you are.

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All of what you write are unproven lies, more than that, most have been disproven more than once to you. The UN says that only 60k people have died in the so called civil war in Iraq. You were told this by me before so my only conclusion is that you don't care about the truth only hate.

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hey if you are right 650, thousand dead Iraqis is just a good start.. how's that for narrow minded, bigoted and mean spirited? Just following your lead bahu.

I am hoping we nuke a few million more strange brown skinned folk.. More mean shit huh? just following in your blind hatred footsteps.
What is written above is in keeping with the owners of this blind hatred of all things America stance.

Disclaimer for the really stupid: I did not mean a single word of anything I just wrote except bahus blind hatred.

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cactoblasta

Join Date 04/2004

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On the Kurds:

Who gives a damn about Turkey? The Turkish Kurds would be much, much better off as part of an independent Kurdistan than as members of a virulently anti-Kurdish Turkey. From what I've heard the Kurds are the only group in Iraq to maintain at least some peace and stability in their regions. If anything they don't deserve to be part of Iraq. They have the mineral wealth to be an independent state, so why not let them?

It is now widely recognised by all that the militancy is sustained by homegrown militants with little,if any, support from outside. The US establishment is blind to the fact that the triumph of the Iraqi militants in Iraq is as much against the interests of the powers of the region as it is against the US interests. Yet US policy has failed to tap into that potential source for squelching the insurgency.

What do you suggest they do? Can you imagine Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait being allowed to involve their military forces in the pacification of Iraq? Sometimes you've got some clever things to say, Bahu, but I think it's too late to get the region involved without encouraging war. The time for cooperation was before the invasion begun; now the only guaranteed path to success is genocide, which, for obvious reasons, is unacceptable. Troop surges are just the most acceptable possibility.

Parated, Paladin, Modman -

WTF? Did Bahu rape you in a past life or something? You've got a lot of hate there for someone you've never even met!

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(Citizen)cactoblastaMay 13, 2007 20:41:08

Modman -

WTF? Did Bahu rape you in a past life or something? You've got a lot of hate there for someone you've never even met!

I hate to say this {no I don't , really} I HATE no one, dislike, yes, hate, nope.

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Did Bahu rape you in a past life or something? You've got a lot of hate there for someone you've never even met!

Bahu is openly sympathetic to the terrorists who beheaded Nick Berg, Flew the planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and target civilians in Iraq. He has every right to his opinions, but he doesn't deserve any more respect from me than what I would give the "people" he supports.

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This line itself shows the biased and blatantly untrue position of Para and his kind. For them abuse and violence is a subsitute for truth and argument.

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Who gives a damn about Turkey? The Turkish Kurds would be much, much better off as part of an independent Kurdistan than as members of a virulently anti-Kurdish Turkey. From what I've heard the Kurds are the only group in Iraq to maintain at least some peace and stability in their regions

Now Turkey is a key ally of the USA in the NATO and being an Islamic country, albeit a moderate one, it is in US interest not to alienate Tuekey, and if the Kurds are encouraged the spiral of violence will spill into the Kurdish regions of Turkey and USA cannot afford another crisis. That is why USA should care.

I am not sympathetic to terrorists and any one who has been reading me over the tyears will know that it is true.

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Bahu, it is by reading your articles that one sees clearly that you are. You are as Anti American as the Maitreya is anti Christ.

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Parated, Paladin, Modman -

WTF? Did Bahu rape you in a past life or something? You've got a lot of hate there for someone you've never even met!

Sorry I am a conservative, therefore I don't hate people. Bahu wrote an article that was mostly hate filled, and inaccurate. He as been shown the facts and has refused to admit he was wrong, or even acknowledge what was shown him. What other conclusion would you come to?

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The facts are clear as daylight. The war in Iraq has cost the US its money, its blood and its international credibility. Further the death toll in the recents weeks both in terms of Iraqi lives and US forces is horrendous. The US Congress is also getting impatient with the war and more than 65% of the US public is against the War. So you decide who is right and who is wrong.

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Tell us all again how the surge is not working

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Tell us all again how the surge is not working

Remember, he's getting his intel straight from Obama.

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Remember, he's getting his intel straight from Obama.

So true! What will he do when the flip flops start?

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So true! What will he do when the flip flops start?

He won't notice it because he is now cheering for Russia and won't have time to see Obama switch minds as he sees his numbers at the same level as McCain as oppose to higher.

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WOW he has been silent on this for a while. Maybe he is on vacation? Or maybe he has seen the light and supports the surge now that it is mostly over and a success.

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WOW he has been silent on this for a while.

Yep, he's abandoned this thread & moved on to his next mistake: thoughtful analysis of the McCain Campaign Disaster - Sarah Palin.

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WOW he has been silent on this for a while. Maybe he is on vacation? Or maybe he has seen the light and supports the surge now that it is mostly over and a success

Yep, he's abandoned this thread & moved on to his next mistake: thoughtful analysis of the McCain Campaign Disaster - Sarah Palin.

Sorry to disappoint you Daiwaa, I am still on Iraq and have not abondoned this thread. It seems that even the US has admitted that it cannot be in Iraq forever and as for the "surge" in Bushspeak or escalation in ordinary English, the jury is still out on that.

Not on vacation, I am working on a book, I have set on heart on it, and it is on Historical Thought from Ancient Greece down to the Eighteenth century. Right now I am in the middle of Philip Bobbitt's The Shield of Achilles: War, Peace and the Course of History. It is just that Iraq at times is so disturbing that it takes days to get over it.

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It seems that even the US has admitted that it cannot be in Iraq forever and as for the "surge" in Bushspeak or escalation in ordinary English, the jury is still out on that.

No, the "surge", "escalation", "increase in force" or whatever you want to call it HAS worked. Al Sadr has surrendered, Al Qaeda has retreated most of its fighters from Iraq and regrouped in Afghanistan, and the government of Iraq is assessing what they need to do to take over security and law enforcement. Monday, the US turned over control of Anbar Province to the government of Iraq.

If you can read "failure" into all that success, then you are too blinded by hatred to see past your nose.

Whether there are US troops in Iraq for another year, 100 years or forever, remains to be seen, but the "jury" has decided about the "surge" and that decision was "should have happened years earlier"... but then again that may be all hindsight since the facts on the ground may not have been favorable to that particular strategy then.

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It seems that even the US has admitted that it cannot be in Iraq forever

DUH! Did anyone ever say the US would be there forever? Admitted? Show me where this was a confession of surprise for anyone except idiots?

and as for the "surge" in Bushspeak or escalation in ordinary English, the jury is still out on that.

No, just the admission by those who only see facts when they suit their agenda. There may be still many arguments about Iraq. This is not one of them (except for those who still live in a fantasy land).

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I see how this works, the surge worked so the nuts move the goal post. The next argument is that they are not going to be in Iraq forever. Well no one has stated this as a goal of America. We wanted the bad guys out, the new government to be able to stand on its own and then we walk away. The surge worked while the hate America group was screaming that it was a failure even before it started. Now that it is over and the results are in, instead of admitting they were wrong they say the jury is still out.

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No Paladin, you got it all wrong. The surge did not work. I mean, if it did, why would we be signing papers with Iraq to be out by, I think it was, 2012? And why would Gen. Petraeus be talking about a possible pullout of Bagdad by July 2009 link

How silly of you to think that things may actually be improving in Iraq and that those who said otherwise were wrong. How dare you contradict Mr Bahu and his (Col Gene style) well wrtitten (cough, cough) articles?

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My apologies Charles, you are obviously correct. I mistakenly allowed myself to confuse the issues with fact and logic rather than blindly following the dictates of the media and their mindless minions. Sorry, sir.

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Sorry, but the Surge is working. I know a soldier in Afghanistan (he gets home tomorrow) who was on deployment in Iraq. So, basically, he says that the Surge is working. Wanna know why? He was greeted as a hero, by the natives of the land. Wanna know why? Because we're the ones who pulled the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan (Afghanistan being mostly successful, and Iraq soon to follow) out of the crapper.

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That's OK Paladin, we should all be equals like the Democrats want so we should all also share in their ignorance from time to time, just to be "fair".

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