Hey! just so you know, Winamp is not dead. As of 1-28-05 version 5.08 was released. I believe it only fixed some security flaw. From what I've read all of the original developers have left, and (sadly) the program is in the hands of AOL, but this programs ease of use, quick and easy skinning, large user community, and especially the large amount of both visual and sound plug-ins makes it a good contender against these other media players. Just because it looks dead don't count it out.