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STOP PUSHING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME!!

I've Had It With Newdow

January 14, 2005 1:48:02 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Newdow is now trying to stop the prayer for the inaugeration.

I've had it with all these self-rightous Anti-theists.

You know what, you claim that we are pushing our Christian beliefs on you. Here's a little common sense... DON'T LISTEN, AND AVOID THE SITUATION!!

I don't agree with the act of prostitution, so I avoid that type of situation, I don't try to stop it, even though it is something that probably should be discontinued.

So, dear Anit-theist, get over yourself, and stop trying to push you beliefs, or lack thereof, on me!

Just don't say "Under God" when you say the pledge.
Don't listen to the inaugeral prayer, or better yet, don't go.
Don't go to a Christian church.
Don't read the 10 commandments in the courtroom.

YOU CAN AVOID IT, so stop trying to take it away from me!

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Reply #1 January 14, 2005 1:52:47 PM
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good post, but the godless ones are not going to be happy till all mention everywhere of GOD is removed.
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Reply #2 January 14, 2005 1:53:54 PM
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I have to agree totally with you; personally I am not a believer in deities, but that is no reason that non-belief should be pushed on you, any more than belief should be pushed at me. We are all entitled to our beliefs and the right to practise them, as long as they do not violate the rights of others.
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Reply #3 January 14, 2005 1:56:20 PM
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Unfortunately, there are many who feel that way; I have no problems with people having a prayer, if it is heartfelt. I have no problem with the 10 commandments, when taken in a cultural context of trying to define an ethical way of relating with others.
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Reply #4 January 14, 2005 2:02:16 PM
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godless ones are not going to be happy till all mention everywhere of GOD is removed.


Just to fight them, I think we should start putting God everywhere...then they can have a reason to cry...
That's the problem. Atheists don't feel they are pushing anything on anyone, when in reality it is exactly what they are doing. It offends my sense of moral righteousness and it will come down to a heated battle, in time. I refuse to allow myself to be walked on by anybody else.



EXACTLY!! Well said.

Unfortunately, there are many who feel that way; I have no problems with people having a prayer, if it is heartfelt. I have no problem with the 10 commandments, when taken in a cultural context of trying to define an ethical way of relating with others.


Wish there were more like you BobG!
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Reply #5 January 14, 2005 2:06:08 PM
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Reply By: xtinePosted: Friday, January 14, 2005All I ask, is that you please don't group us all into the same category. I feel just as offended as you do when preached at by SOME christians...Some, and I would hazzard a guess: most, really mean well and think that they are either trying to save my imortal soul, or following their religion by spreading the word. I have no such motivations and will never tell someone my religious inclinations unless they either 1. Ask me, or 2. Is someone I want to get to know better.Oops, or 3. Write about it in my blog, in which case one can easily navigate away from my GODLESS views.


I respect your right to be godless if you choose ... I would like the same respect if I choose to view God as MY diety k?
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Reply #6 January 14, 2005 2:07:27 PM
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I respect your right to be godless if you choose ... I would like the same respect if I choose to view God as MY diety k?


Exactly!!
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Reply #7 January 14, 2005 2:13:04 PM
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Have I EVER not respected your right? No. And I will continue to do so. But please don't disrespect me by painting me with a brush of an ugly color as you paint your version of "athesits." Maybe we're miscommunicating here. I call myself atheist. Maybe that's not what you would call me.
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Reply #8 January 14, 2005 2:17:40 PM
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I think where the crux of the matter lies is in the fact that atheism, as practiced by some, IS a religion; and can be a basis of intolerance in and of itself. There is a distinct difference between having a neutrality toward religions, and having an antipathy toward religions. At that point it becomes and intolerant belief in it's own right.
Just MHO, of course.
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Reply #9 January 14, 2005 2:25:27 PM
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Reply By: xtinePosted: Friday, January 14, 2005Have I EVER not respected your right? No. And I will continue to do so. But please don't disrespect me by painting me with a brush of an ugly color as you paint your version of "athesits." Maybe we're miscommunicating here. I call myself atheist. Maybe that's not what you would call me.


I met no offense to anyone.. I am just stating my views and my professed love for God. I typed godless ones because I don't know how else to phrase it. k?
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Reply #10 January 14, 2005 2:27:17 PM
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I believe it was Gideon (too lazy to look) who used the term anti-theist. This is far more accurate in this situation and I think makes a nice distinction between those Silver and Jade was ranting about in the initial post (which I agree with 100%) and those like xtine who quietly choose to believe (or not believe, it is really just semantics) there is no diety. Athiests, while I cannot understand that belief, I have not problem with. Anti-theists, however, are those on a crusade to strike any mention of a divine being from existence. I will continue to actively fight against them.
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Reply #11 January 14, 2005 2:52:23 PM
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Anti-theists, however, are those on a crusade to strike any mention of a divine being from existence. I will continue to actively fight against them.


Anti-theists...very good word to describle them...

Xtine, I have nothing against most atheists, and I'm not saying you are one of the ones I am angered by. This blog was not directed to you, or your kind, so please don't take it that way. If you go on your way, and not pout about icons of religion, so be it, this was not directed at you. I am not stereotyping anybody, I'm not misunderstanding anybody, or accusing anybody, except the people that insist on try to create a diety -free America. If you aren't one of these people, then there is no reason that you should be offended, becuase this was not directed towards you.
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Reply #12 January 14, 2005 3:14:22 PM
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Reply #9 By: Silver_and_Jade_Tears - 1/14/2005 2:06:28 PM
Xtine, I'm not sure I understand.

Are you asking me not to group you together as atheists?

I truly try not to, but I have gotten to the point that SOME atheists are giving all the rest bad names, and it's truly beginning to annoy me.


SJT,


To clarify and not stereotype the many atheists whose opinions I respect, I group them into categories of "Atheist" and "antitheist".


Atheists I have no problem with. Nor do they have a problem with me. We have many good discussions, we just differ over that particular area. And they stimulate me to think in that area, which I appreciate.


Antitheists, on the other hand, are people like Newdow. They aggressively struggle to destroy any public display of religion, and to harass religionists into silence. Atheists should not be grouped in this category, as they do not have such diabolical motives.


Hope this helps.

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Reply #13 January 14, 2005 3:22:23 PM
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Hah, I thought it was you Gideon who used the antitheist term. I think it is very appropriate. (And it does my heart good to know I am not completely senile yet).
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Reply #14 January 14, 2005 3:30:57 PM
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I never had heard the term "anti-theists" and since that is what I am ranting about, I am going to change a couple phrases in my blog. I agree with Gideon, I have nothing against atheists, it is the anti-theists.
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Reply #15 January 14, 2005 3:31:29 PM
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Therefor Xtine, I have nothing against you, therefor you have no reason to become offended.
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Reply #16 January 14, 2005 3:35:44 PM
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But regardless of the terms, my feelings for these people have not changed.

I don't understand why people allow such small minorities control the rest of us in such a manner.
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Reply #17 January 14, 2005 3:38:44 PM
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That's the problem. Atheists don't feel they are pushing anything on anyone, when in reality it is exactly what they are doing. It offends my sense of moral righteousness and it will come down to a heated battle, in time. I refuse to allow myself to be walked on by anybody else.

Helix, S&JT said it correctly, and it has been blogged before.  Most Atheist dont care and dont ram their non-belief down anyone's throat. It is the Anti-Theist that are more rabid than even the evangelical right!  And they must be stopped.

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Reply #18 January 14, 2005 3:39:32 PM
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I am going to change a couple phrases in my blog


If you do that, then please delete all my comments, else you'll make me look like an idiot.
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Reply #19 January 14, 2005 3:42:23 PM
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I am not sure, but a friend of mine and I may have been partly responsible for coining the term. I can't claim absolute credit for it, but know I have been using it for many years. That may be why you haven't heard it used much (I'm not as widely read as, say, Grisham...lol)
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Reply #20 January 14, 2005 3:42:36 PM
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Have I EVER not respected your right? No. And I will continue to do so. But please don't disrespect me by painting me with a brush of an ugly color as you paint your version of "athesits." Maybe we're miscommunicating here. I call myself atheist. Maybe that's not what you would call me.

I see your dilemna.  But I think if we correctly call them Anti-Theist, that counts you out, and them as the loons!  I respect your right to not believe, and it does not bother me.  That you dont care if I beleive indicates you are not bothered by my belief either.

It is sad that often a broad brush is applied when a narrow one is what is called for.  It is similar to what I said in another blog, and you have followed through on.  You have repudiated them, and so there is a clear difference.  And that is to your credit.

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Reply #21 January 14, 2005 3:43:08 PM
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OK, now that kind of gets me annoyed because I would never have said a word to this post worded the way it is...I may go back and edit all my comments to silly little emoticons in a fit of angst.
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Reply #22 January 14, 2005 3:44:01 PM
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I believe it was Gideon (too lazy to look) who used the term anti-theist. This is far more accurate in this situation and I think makes a nice distinction between those Silver and Jade was ranting about in the initial post (which I agree with 100%) and those like xtine who quietly choose to believe (or not believe, it is really just semantics) there is no diety. Athiests, while I cannot understand that belief, I have not problem with. Anti-theists, however, are those on a crusade to strike any mention of a divine being from existence. I will continue to actively fight against them.

I do believe you are 100% correct! Insightful from me!

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Reply #23 January 14, 2005 3:45:39 PM
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(BobG, I like your level-headed comments and appreciate your thoughts...you should register. )

I told him that already!  He says he is having some problems.  But he does have some great comments, and hopefully will solve them soon.  I would like to see some of his thoughts in his own blogs!

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Reply #24 January 14, 2005 3:47:05 PM
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...sorry for inspiring the edit, xtine...hehe


Anyway, to the point. I never knew for sure you were an atheist, and never cared. To me it was (and is) irrelevant to who you are as a person. You have always been insightful, intelligent, and a valuable contributor to the JU community, and that knows no religious boundaries.

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Reply #25 January 14, 2005 3:48:26 PM
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If you do that, then please delete all my comments, else you'll make me look like an idiot.

No, your comments are in context, and are very insightful.  Dont be embarrased by them.  There is nothing wrong with them.  I read it after she changed it, but it was clear by the comments that you were addressing the prejudice against atheist, not anti-theists.

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