Leauki posts #20
I consider that a plain violation of the constitutional requirement to keep religion and state separate.
Lula posts #23
Please enlighten me. Where exactly in the US Constition is the requirement to keep religion and state separate?
Leauki posts #26
Oh, please, that is getting embarassing.
It's the first amendment.
"The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept."
America never was a "Christian nation". The constitution everyone is referring to is from the 18th century.
Writes Thomas Jeffersion:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
LULA POSTS #76
Alas! first, let's be clear...Jefferson's metaphor, "wall of separation between Church and State" is nowhere found in the US Constitution.
lEAUKI POSTS #78
That's right .
Exactly. So here you refute your own statement in post #20. There is no constitutional requirement to keep religion and state separate. On the contrary, as I posted (#76).. the Northwest Ordinance, Article II, still in effect....
Article II is the only sestion to address either religion or public education and in in the Founders couple them, declaring:
"Religion, morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools, and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."
It's worth repeating. The Framers of the Ordinance were the very same Framers of the US Constitution, beieved that schools and educational systems were a proper means to encourage the "religion, morality, and knowledge" which they deemed "necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind".
It was merely how Thomas Jefferson understood it.
Actually, it's more like it was merely how certain activist judges over the years misunderstood and then mis-applied what Jefferson said regarding the "wall of separation" when they made their fateful decisions to kick God out of public schools.
Almighty God is interested in nations and civil government. He created the entire basis for civil authority that can be found in Romans 13. "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. .....For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain, he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore, one must be subject not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."
So, here we find that God is interested in governing authorities, the 3 spheres of authority being the family authority, the church authority and the civil authority. So, Almighty God sure did have something to do with the founding of America.
With these atrocious Supreme Court decisions, man stomped in, misued his authority and kicked God out. We are reaping the whirlwind. We are reaping what we sow.