We all like to think that we're unique and everybody else is dumb.

I guess that my problem is that people, whether American or otherwise, who "know" politics often have only the facts they want to have, even if they aren't true at all. For example, the same people who say the American media has no integrity or credibility will immediately believe an article published by it that shows the US in a bad light. I can't help but think that picking and choosing what one believes based solely on what they want to be true is any better than believing everything one's told. In fact, I'd say that the sheep aren't nearly as bad as the self-proclaimed pundits.
Also, I have a feeling that Michael Moore would accept a bribe to vote for a certain candidate. It's not as if honesty and integrity are his forte.

Hah, gothic! Great quote. I agree with you. I was just stating how Disney possibly sees things, trying to sit on as many fences as possible to please as many people as possible and generate as much revenue as possible.

Just as an aside, I am not a big fan of Disney (Eisner especially) so I am not trying to defend or vilify.

Moore truly is an obnoxious, left wing zealot with an inflated ego and a larger than life persona... and he's awesome. Documentaries? Absolutely, they are documentaries in tone and style, even if Moore takes liberties to create certain scenarios and drive in his points. Perhaps more accurately they are provocumentaries. They are funny and entertaining. They are thoughtful and very skillfully arranged and edited. And of course they give the appearance of Moore being courageous, and perhaps he is indeed. Just because he flaunts those qualities doesn't mean he doesn't really have them.

The right has the same type of 'infotainment' personas in its talk radio. Naturally, the right excuses them, and all their vitriol and inaccuracies, while lambasting Michael Moore. Moore's position is that he doesn't need to take the higher road, doesn't need to be less manipulative or provocative, because as left-winger, his priorities are in the right place, whereas conservatives have wrong priorities. There's nothing inherently wrong in that. The right alienates the left, and the left alienates the right. Eventually they'll all kill each other. We can be thankful, that unlike most democrats, Moore isn't gonna sit around and let the right wing media zealots of Fox News and talk radio do their thing without spitting his own venom.

BTW, I'm a much bigger fan of Greg Palast and Jim Hightower than Michael Moore, but Moore's the one making the movies. That doesn't mean I religiously follow what he says. His movies are light indulgences for the more serious liberal mind. They are no substitute for comprehensive journalism.

Re: Bush and the Saudis, this stuff isn't a bunch of lies. The connections are real. Lets see what Moore does with it before we judge his movie as being without factual basis.

I'm real glad I live in a free country.

So, that means since I'm on top I can alienate everyone?

As long as you are right, you can alienate everyone else. Since the left is right, and the right is wrong, the left is perfectly justified in alienating the right.

I wonder if these people cry censorship with a pilot episode of a new sitcom is never aired or when a song a band makes is never released on CD. After all, these too are examples of corporations like Disney choosing not to release everything that's made.

Moore has known for a year that Disney wasn't going to distribute this movie. Why is everyone crying censorship? One would think a studio is free to distribute /whatever they want/.

I have a multi-player, text based, pirate game a couple friends and I wrote. Atari won't publish it, of course. They're censoring me! It must be a devious anti-pirate game conspiracy, to increase Sid Meir's profits when he releases his pirate game next year. Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Nobody's calling what Disney has done censorship... It simply is not. However, we can't deny that it's cowardly either, especially considering that F911 will in all likelihood be a fairly profitable film. They're putting political economic considerations over standard product-profit based decisions. This is not a violation of anyone's free speach, but it is a good reason to practice 'consumer democracy' and avoid Disney products if you disagree with it on principle. Whatever the case, the film will be released and anyone who wants to see it will get that chance.

What is censorship, as far as I'm concerned, is Sinclair Broadcasting's decision not to show the Nightline program honoring dead soldiers. This decision was 100% political and done with the intent of preventing viewers from being exposed to a very grim reminder. They must not have much faith in the American people's willingness to follow this war to the end. Perhaps they're right. Still, very cowardly move on their part. Fox, ClearChannel, and Sinclair ARE the conservative media in many respects, and they go much farther towards their end (and receive much more for their efforts in the way of deregulation) than anyone on the other side does. I was watching Bill Moyers tonight, and he played a 15 second clip from Rush Limbaugh talking about the abuse cases. He basically said, laughingly and jokingly, that the soldiers were just letting off some steam and having some fun, like Skull and Bones frat boys. I might have said the same thing, but in a very cynical, not celebrating context, and hearing Rush Limbaugh talk was just about the most disgusting thing in the media to come out of this scandal, as far as I'm concerned. After hearing that, I can't help but appologize to Michael Moore for saying that he's the left wing equivalent of right wing radio. He's simply a more moral and honorable individual.