Quoting heil_stardock, reply 16dude, i read. your posts in particular, which eloquently describe your personal distaste for the issue.
however, your personal opinion (augmented by 'clearly', good one) is still just your personal opinion. and given that you speak out of a need to voice your hate and disgust your opinion hardly doesn't count as objective nor contibutive to a discussion.
No you have not - or you have not understood what you read. It is not MY opinion, it is accepted knowledge from the body of science called Psychiatry. Now you may argue that branch of science is bunk, but trying to marginalize it by calling it MY opinion is your tactic and a lame one. If you had taken the time to READ and understand the information on this page, you would then have the answer to your question. However you chose instead to try and make up a strawman that does not exist and accuse others of your crimes. that is YOUR problem.
Oh my, there's actually an argument in that wall of rage. "Accepted knowledge in psychiatry". You could have proven me wrong completely without getting nasty at me, if you'd have posted something like that from the start. You still can if you pull up something scientific relevant to the question.
Quoting heil_stardock, reply 16And thus, my question was not answered, especially not by you.
Also, you try to denigrate me by suggesting I don't read before I post, which is a time honored debate tactic of attacking the discussant while circumventing the topic. A valid method of dominating a debate but not conducive.
See above. You are the one diverting the debate. I created the topic, you are only trying to excuse the inexcusable with idiotic statements not born out by any data in the professional world.
You were only raving against that man anyway. Besides, all is still on topic. Congrats for creating the topic. Well done. You are very good at creating different topics which somehow seem to be all the same topic: "I hate liberals!"
Ah yes! The mindset that rape is never rape! It is all about sex and they really want it. You are a sick puppy. Clearly someone who is under the control of another cannot "consent", but to misogynists like you, that is immaterial! Well done! You have just thrown out all the data ever collected by anyone of any intelligence in favor of your OPINION.
Good luck finding your data on a reputable site that is not run by rapists, pedophiles and polygamists. I guess Elizabeth Smart asked for it too, right?
And now your fantasy is making you see things I never wrote and didn't imply. Is there a chance that anytime soon you are stopping to project your hate of Mr Epstein onto me?
Quoting heil_stardock, reply 16likewise, lulapilgrim basically argues that parent-child incest is wrong because it is wrong, without attacking me personally, however (Thanks btw.). That again is a personal opinion and not a valid argument (in absence of hard data it's perfectly fine to speculate).
Debate Lula on your own, do not include words I did not pen to me.
I was making the point that you can debate without denigrating each other. I actually enjoy civilized debate.
Quoting heil_stardock, reply 16I admit, the question is phrased in a way that makes it sound dismissive of the notion that incest could indeed cause harm, so let's rephrase it: "What harm is done to anyone in an incestuous consensual relationship, if any?"
And just to avoid getting further crap from you: I don't bugger relatives and I don't suggest that anyone should.
Whether you do or do not, no one here can tell since your anonymity protects you.
And now you imply that I do practice incest. That is low.
Nor do we care (other than to protect the innocent victims - excuse me - the ones who want it in your mind). You are still not reading or understanding.
I am so awesome at reading your stuff, I can even spot the words between lines!
There can be NO CONSENT when one is obeying orders from an AUTHORITY figure! No court of law, no non-deviant psychiatrist or psychologist would ever agree with you. For you to be right, then every rapist out there can claim "She said yes" even if he forced her to at the point of gun or knife.
And a second argument hidden in a pile of screaming fury: There is no consent in a relationship with an authority figure.
You know, that does make sense, although it can be argued that for adults the authority figure 'father' becomes less of an authority than in someone's childhood. Still, you made a valid argument and I accept that, even though you made it very hard looking for that diamond of wisdom in all that muck.
And you are why this sick episode is out there. There is no right and wrong to you - only consensual regardless of the means to reach the consensus.
And now I am responsible for them, too?? Even assuming you mean that figuratively, you again try to dress me up in your rape fantasies.
No right and wrong to me? I wrote in my very first post that this episode doesn't seem right to me, a notion I reinforced later. But no, you have to fight the hated "liberal" (I assume you think I'm a liberal) and in your rage you twist everything into a blade to strike me with.
I have given no offense, I didn't question your beliefs. Yet you act like I'm some kind of enemy.
Look, if you got abused in the past and this a personal touchy issue for you, then I'm sorry. But even then I don't deserve that kind of foul mouthed behavior.