Quoting fatindian, reply 148
BOTH Neverwinter Nights and Civilization 4 did not have a release like Elemental's.
Civ 4 was very fun on release and NWN had a perfectly decent campaign. Neither of them had major gameplay and playability issues.
Yes, we get it, Elemental is very moddable, but we (most of us anyway) didn't pay for mod tools.
Who is this "most of" you speak of. Are you now speaking for the majority?
I don't recall comparing their releases. I was comparing the impact that the modding community had on the games and when those games truly blossomed.
And no, you don't have to use the mod tools to take advantage of the modding community. You can simply download the ones created by the modding community and put them to use. FYI, Civ 4 was buggy as hell upon release. NWN had a decent campaign. But both shined like diamonds once the mod community got a hold of them. Then, and only then, did they both reach their true potential.
I am speaking for the majority. Because the majority bought a game, which according to Stardock themselves should have been better than it is.
You know how long it took Civ and NWN to get good mods? Making mods takes time, NWN's amazing modules and Civ's Rise of Mankind or Fall From Heaven didn't spring up overnight.
People that purchased both Civ and NWN didn't do it because of "future potential", they bought it for present day fun, and both games delivered. I'm glad you have relatively few complaints about Elemental, but you are part of a minority (there are communities beyond the official Stardock forums, just FYI).
EDIT: Yes, NWN and Civ "shined like diamonds" because of mods, but they didn't stink like a turd like Elemental does upon release.