Nitro posts:

I'm asking questions for I don't think so. I think everything we think we know about the idea of black holes, a term coined in 1968, is still theory. 

From space.com/blackholes:

We have given black holes their name because light inside the event horizon can never be seen by mankind, or any outside observer. We believe that black holes in space are created by the collapse of a red super giant star. As these stars reach the end of their lives, an imbalance of inward and outward pressure forces the star to collapse.

Information on black holes is limited, though numerous schools of theory exist. We know black holes exist not because we can see them, but because of the impact they have on the space around them.

Hawking and Roger Penrose mathematically linked black holes to the Big Bang, which they assert created the universe and all that's in it.

Here's a link and an excerpt from a Scientist (Christian)  who is thinking along the same lines as I am.   He's agreeing with Hawking partly like I am, but we have a different solution for Hawking's dilemma than he does.   

But first...remember Hawking's said this: 

"Let’s face it: The planet is heating up, Earth’s population is expanding at an exponential rate, and the the natural resources vital to our survival are running out faster than we can replace them with sustainable alternatives. Even if the human race manages not to push itself to the brink of nuclear extinction, it is still a foregone conclusion that our aging sun will expand and swallow the Earth in roughly 7.6 billion years."

Stephen Hawking is right in calling the earth a “dying planet.”  This is what the Bible tells us:

For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. (Romans 8:22)

The earth (in fact, the whole universe) is dying because of sin—it is now groaning because of the effects of the Curse.

However, Stephen Hawking is wrong in declaring that man could cause his own extinction or that man has to escape to space to survive.  The Bible tells us what will happen in the future (and astrophysicist Dr. Robert Smith is partly correct when he says the earth will become “very hot”):

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.  Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,  looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?  Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Peter 3:10-13)

 

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2010/08/11/stephen-hawking%E2%80%94both-right-and-wrong/

KFC posts:

Well said and words that should be taken seriously. The new world leader is the antichrist and he will be far worse than Hitler, a combination of all the tryrants from the beginning of time.  The problem is he's going to be so smooth and seem to solve all the world's problems that he will be accepted by many.He will be the leader of an absolute totalitarian world regime.

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Nitro posts:

The globalists at the UN are attempting to move us towards a one-world government set-up. It's called Globalism. Country after country will give up their sovereignty and people will be forced to give up their property rights. The education system is teaching globalism now. 

That is the problem. You and your religion know better and by GOD, the other 5 billion heathens will just have to see it that way or else. If you so accept the words of Jesus and GOD, why do you spend so much of your time telling us what they really meant? I do not have any problems at all understanding what you call the word of GOD.  I just don’t need you or some organization to explain it all to me. And I do not insist there are no other possible exceptions or valid arguments opposing anything I believe in. Just show me the car-fax and we can actually communicate intelligently. If you cannot, then you are just blowing more smoke.

But I do have problems with organizations that placate their flocks with built in excuses for success and failure. If one just continues to fill the coffers, suffer enough penance and meekly goes away, the hierarchy will find it in their hearts to put in a good word with GOD. If something goes wrong it is our fault and everything that goes right is by the grace of the Almighty. Are you people stupid enough to believe that WE are incapable of good work or success or failure on our own merits ... without your blessings or your excuses? It is you that thumbs your proverbial nose at the world in provocation, not I. I am no better or worse than any other human being on this planet as we are all born blissfully ignorant and totally innocent … and then we pollute our children to ensure there is an abundance of future idiots to carry on the grand tradition of trying to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong. It’s just not my cup of tea.

Ok, in that case we agree!

I am not contending that, but the smaller the population, the less likely there were wars between peoples (that is #1).  Number 2, I would hesitate to call the sacking of Rome under the Visigoths or the conquest of Asia by Alexander, or the ravaging of Europe by the Huns, or the American Civil War as religious.  Not all wars (prior to the 20th century) was based upon religion.  Many were, but not all.

you are correct.  But in science, theory is a very big notion.  There are precious few "facts" in science".  If something has advanced to the theory level, that would be taken as fact to most lay people.  AGW is not even a theory and you see the hysterical rantings of its proponents.  It is merely a flawed hypothesis.

Be careful when denigrating a scientific theory.  For in scientific theory, you exist, but not in fact.

Maybe you don't, but many do.  Christ set up the church (body of believers) for a purpose.  He gave his life for the church.  We are to somehow organize ourselves to stay together.  I understand that many organizations have gone astray but there are still good bible believing churches out there.  Church isn't about explaining anything it's about coming together as a corporate body to worship God.  

The Word of God is very clear that different people have different gifts.  The church body is likened to a physical body.  We are not made up physically of all arms or all legs.  It's the same as the church.  Not all are preachers or teachers.  Not all are gifted with discernment.  There are many gifts to make a church work effectively.  Some have the gift of compassion, some teaching, some preaching, some helps, etc.  If everyone in the church had just compassion or helps they wouldn't be able to discern what was truth and what was not effectively but they would be a lovely group of people to be around. 

The whole reason for the church is to work together as a body as they worship God and edifty each other.  The stronger body parts help the weaker parts but all the parts are necessary to make a whole.  I've been gifted as a teacher.  Many do not understand the scriptures so I help them.  Maybe you don't need help because you understand it so perfectly but many are illiterate (especially today) when it comes to biblical teachings.  I've met young people who never even heard of Abraham, or Noah, or Adam or even understand what Christmas is all about. 

me too. 

I'm starting to think you're coming out of the RCC B.T. and if so, you're preaching to the choir here.  First of all I don't believe in a hierarchy in the church.  Like I said we are a body working together.  Is the leg better than an arm?  Is the brain better than the heart? 

"For the body is not one member but many.  If the foot shall say Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?  And if the ear shall say, because I am not the eye I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?  If the whole body were an eye where would be the hearing?  If the whole were hearing where were the smelling?  But God set the members every one of them in the body as it has pleased him...and the eye cannot say to the hand I have no need of you nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.  No, much more those members of the body which seem to be more feeble are necessary.  And those members of the body which we think to be less honourable (bowels?) upon thse we bestow more abundant honor and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness."  1 Cor 12

It's the same with the members of a church.  A Pastor is to shepherd his flock, but NOT to lord it over them and act high and mighty.  If so, time to find a new church or organization.  Jesus is the head of the church and he gave his life for it.  He served the church.  He did not proudly prance around as better than the lowly people under him.  He got on their level, became one of them.  He was a nobody who came from two nobodies even though in reality he was a very big somebody.   That's why he said "the first shall become last and the last first." 

Da Vinici was a Christian.  I'm fairly certain by reading some of his philosophy was a fairly devote one at that. 

How is doing unto others part of the law of nature.  Also, as Doc pointed out many wars were fought that weren't 'religious' backed.

If you did do away with Religion there would still be war.  Because wars are generally not fought over religion but land, resources, and occasional power hungry individual.

Whether you want to admit it or not there are universal truths.  A right angle is 90 degree angle.  In China, its still 90 degrees.  In the Artic circle its still 90 degrees.  I could say that a right angle is 83 degrees or could give you a bet that my right angle is bigger than yours (if you didn't take my bet then you're a lepton because you would win) but that doesn't matter because its 90 degrees no matter what anyone says or hard someone tries to say otherwise.    Even if there were some people that never heard of a right angle it still would be 90 degrees. 

That's Truth, Truth has and will always be.  You can say that all religions are the same which isn't true for they each believe in something different.  They may have some similarities, but for the most part are different.

Shakespeare lived in the late 1500s, so on scheme of things not too long ago. In all of his popularity and he was very popular when he was alive, we still lost several of his plays even a few that were performed at the time we lost.  The Dead Seas Scrolls shows that the Tanckh has been accurately kept.  Even from a historical aspect, its good.  For a nation to show all of its screw ups in its history especially nations in that same period was unheard of.

Thanks KFC, I don't fault anyone for their beliefs, I just don't care to proselytized to. That doesn't mean people can't discuss it openly. At the very least everyone should recognize the good things the church (and synagogue or mosque) does for their communities. The government seems to be trying to supplant this work, but who knows the communities better? As for the personal aspect, we are all headed for the truth. I'm glad there are folks out there to pray for the rest of us, it can't hurt.

KFC,

Thanks for post 65.

I'll not belabor the point any longer except to say that I agree with your post 54 which imo contradicts some of your statments in the original article. 

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KFC posts:

I have no problem whatsoever with understanding the Black Hole as theory. Unfortunately, with Hawking and others, scientists now call Black holes real phenomena in our universe. My question remains unanswered....Are they really real?

Do you know that Hawking believes that at the heart of Black Holes are singularities and went on to calculate the entire universe could have sprung from a Black hole singularity. This singularity is called the Big Bang cosmic origin and expansion of the universe and all that's in it. Yep...he's selling stellar evolution... and I'm not buying it. Why? Becasue I believe the Holy Bible. In fact,  to believe this turns Our Creator and Lord Jesus Christ into a liar for He said that Adam and Eve were there "from the beginning of the creation" in St.Mark 10:6, referring to the account in Genesis 1:26-27 not several billion years after the beginning of creation. 

The Black hole fits stellar evolution so well that it pushes God so far out that He is eliminated altogether. So, if this is the sense in which we are to understand Black holes as real phenomena, I'd say to Basmas that the Good Book does indeed have something against black holes.

you got that right and I'll put you on "the list."