lula posts 371
Remember you said the Messias must bring peace and I said He already did for those who accept Him.
Everyone did that. I can myself tell people not to fight and claim that I brought world peace since everybody who follows my command is not fighting any more.
In Christ's discourse with His Apostles after the Last Supper, He said to them, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world gives, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid."
Christ's peace is one of the great messianic gifts. The peace Jesus gives us completely transcends the peace of the world which can be superficial, misleading and compatible with injustice. The peace of Christ is above all, reconciliation with God and reconciliation of men with one another and it is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (sorry, here I go again talking in language you most probably don't understand!).
Christ exhorted His disciples that is also a command, "Have peace among you." That exhortation is addressed also to us. Let us keep peace in our own little world..in our family, in our circle of friends and acquaintances, in our work, in our neighborhood, in our community, in our society.
St.Paul said, "If it be possible, as much as is in you, have peace with all men."
And the Catholic Church has never been a big help either.
Practically every Pope has written encyclicals on the subject of peace ...in the individual, in the family as well as societal.
Here's part of what Pope John Paul II wrote back in September 1979,
"Christ is our peace. Eph. 2:14, And today and forever He repeats to us My peace I give to you, My Peace I leave with you. Never before in the history of mankind has peace been so much talked about and so ardently desired as in our day. And yet, again and again, one can see how peace is undermined and destoyed.
Peace is the result of many converging attitudes and realities. It is the product of moral concerns, of ethical principles, based on the Gospel message and fortified by it. In his message for the 1971 Day of Peace, my revered predeccessor, Pope Paul VI, said: true peace must be founded upon justice, upon the sense of the untouchable dignity of man, upon the recognition of an indelible and happy equality between men, upon the basic principle of human brotherhood, that is of the respect and true love due each man, becasue he is man."
This same message I affirmed in Mexico and Poland. I reaffirm it here in Ireland. Every human being has inalienable rights that must be respected. each human community--ethnic, historical, cultural or religious---has rights which must be respected. Peace is threatened every time one of these rights is violated.
The moral law, guardian of human rights, protector of the dignity of man, cannot be set aside by any person, group or by the State itself, for any cause, not even for security or in the interests of law and order. The law of God stands in judgment over all reasons of State. As long as injustices exist in any of the areas that touch upon the dignity of the human person, be it in the political, social or economic field, be it in the cultural or religious sphere, true peace will not exist.
Peace cannot be established by violence. peace can never flourish in a climate of terror, intimidation and death. It is Jesus Himself who said: "All who take the sword will perish by the sword." St.Matt. 26:52. This is the word of God and it commands this generation of violent men to desist from hatred and violence and to repent.
KFC posts 372
not individually nor corporately. The RCC has NEVER been a picture of peace. Lula refuses to see this. They don't represent Christ AT ALL! They think they do. But instead they represent the Pharisees.
I just quoted from 2 Popes...it sounds to me like they hit the nail on the head as far as painting a picture of peace.
Is the spread of Christianity good for the world? I'd say so. Was the Chruch sent by Christ to teach His Gospel to all nations until the end of time? Yes. Did she do it? Yes. It is the Catholic Church who spread the leaven of Christianity and Christianized all of Europe and the better part of Asia that hadn't been been overcome by the advance of Islam. By Christianized I mean the permeation of the ethical, moral and social order of Jesus Christ. Is she still spreading the Good News...yes.
You are so misguided..you really need to stop this calumny against the Church. The Church is not the enemy that you try to portray it to be.