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Examples of Obama's Brilliance

January 21, 2009 10:17:38 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

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Reply #1 January 21, 2009 10:17:53 AM
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Reply #2 January 21, 2009 10:47:07 AM
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hhhmm a one word article..... bravo! (being petty, the title should be "Examples of Obama's Brilliance")

 

 

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Reply #3 January 21, 2009 10:48:44 AM
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Lots of examples.....

Um..

Err....

Nevermind.

Oh wait, he convinced millions of Americans to vote for him based on a marketing slogan!

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Reply #4 January 21, 2009 10:53:41 AM
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Quoting Artysim,
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hhhmm a one word article..... bravo! (being petty, the title should be "Examples of Obama's Brilliance")

 

 

Typo corrected.

Anything else?

 

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Reply #5 January 21, 2009 11:00:28 AM
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Sorry, for once I'm at a loss for words........

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Reply #6 January 21, 2009 11:06:28 AM
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Reply #7 January 21, 2009 11:54:28 AM
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hhhmm a one word article..... bravo! (being petty, the title should be "Examples of Obama's Brilliance")

So rather than giving an example you chose to criticize the amount of words on the article and a spelling error. Makes me wonder how good you are at dodgeball.

Examples of Obama's Brilliance

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Is selective memory an excuse for not giving an example?

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Reply #8 January 21, 2009 12:04:14 PM
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So rather than giving an example you chose to criticize the amount of words on the article and a spelling error. Makes me wonder how good you are at dodgeball.

Leave him alone. For once his participation in a discussion was actually constructive.

I am still curious though. I keep reading about how "intelligent" Obama is, but I have never seen him actually do or say anything particularly clever.

(And I keep wondering whether he mentions the writing of his first autobiography in his second authobiography.)

 

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Reply #9 January 22, 2009 12:27:20 AM
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 ..... ..... ..... ..... .....gotta go...I think I just broke my thinker.

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Reply #10 January 22, 2009 6:17:47 AM
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He won the presidency? Seriously, it's not that easy to do, even with an eminence gris. And I haven't heard any rumours of a Karl Rove figure in Obama's background.

Facing down Hillary Clinton - widely perceived to be a shoe-in - was no easy task either. I think the way he managed showed a brilliant grasp of overarching political strategy.

But if you're looking for evidence that he's the messiah many of his voters think he is, rather than simply a brilliant politician, you're right, it's much too early to know.

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Reply #11 January 22, 2009 6:22:12 AM
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He won the presidency? Seriously, it's not that easy to do, even with an eminence gris. And I haven't heard any rumours of a Karl Rove figure in Obama's background.



No, I was looking for something clever he said or did that made people vote for him. Clever things he does for himself are not what I want to know about.




Facing down Hillary Clinton - widely perceived to be a shoe-in - was no easy task either. I think the way he managed showed a brilliant grasp of overarching political strategy.



I am not so sure about that. It seemed to me that he was being carried by lots of irrational supporters and the media loved him because he made a great story and was as left-wing as big media journalists often are.

I don't think he ever had to face Hillary Clinton as such; he simply avoided her.




But if you're looking for evidence that he's the messiah many of his voters think he is, rather than simply a brilliant politician, you're right, it's much too early to know.



I am looking for any evidence at all for anything clever he ever said or did for anyone but himself.

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Reply #12 January 22, 2009 6:38:49 AM
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No, I was looking for something clever he said or did that made people vote for him. Clever things he does for himself are not what I want to know about.

If the research is to be believed - and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest it shouldn't be - clever things don't win votes. Simple policies clearly expressed win votes. I'm not sure you could ever say that someone won an election on cleverness. But that doesn't mean the politician isn't clever.

I am looking for any evidence at all for anything clever he ever said or did for anyone but himself.

So an example of true altruism that is uniquely clever, or merely an example of true altruism that requires a certain degree of cleverness?

For example, would volunteering as a lawyer for the homeless be evidence, or would he need to do something unusually brilliant that's also selfless?

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Reply #13 January 22, 2009 7:02:46 AM
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For example, would volunteering as a lawyer for the homeless be evidence, or would he need to do something unusually brilliant that's also selfless?

The latter.

And his work as a lawyer for the homeless would also have to accomplish something. Many people invest a lot of time doing good without having an impact.

 

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Reply #14 January 22, 2009 7:53:44 AM
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You dont have to be brilliant to be charismatic and cultish.  And the latter gets you a lot farther as then the followers do not question, and explain away foibles with religious like devotion.

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Reply #15 January 22, 2009 9:26:14 AM
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And the latter gets you a lot farther as then the followers do not question, and explain away foibles with religious like devotion.

and that's exactly what we're seeing.

I turned on Oprah (I know, I know) just to hear what she said YESTERDAY!  She had a panel discussion rehashing the day before festivities and I had to gag when I heard one comment about how Obama "speaks to my soul like no other."

What is that? 

Then I heard on another newscast they were comparing Michelle in her white dress to a "goddess."

Puh-----leese!   

Anyhow  yesterday all over the place it was all gushing about how great Obama is and how he will impact the world globally and bring "hope" to the world.

Now, if that isn't religious speak, I don't know what is. 

 

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Reply #16 January 22, 2009 9:32:08 AM
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Then I heard on another newscast they were comparing Michelle in her white dress to a "goddess."

When Sarah Palin looked nice they went on how much she must have spent on cloths on make-up.

 

Anyhow  yesterday all over the place it was all gushing about how great Obama is and how he will impact the world globally and bring "hope" to the world.

Now, if that isn't religious speak, I don't know what is. 

It is religious. And I think it is scary and dangerous.

 

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Reply #17 January 22, 2009 1:56:27 PM
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He won the presidency? Seriously, it's not that easy to do, even with an eminence gris. And I haven't heard any rumours of a Karl Rove figure in Obama's background.

Hmm, so are you know admitting that Bush was very smart? I don't understand this whole double standard. Bush was stupid yet somehow he was briliant enough to win the elections twice?

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Reply #18 January 22, 2009 2:03:33 PM
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I don't understand this whole double standard. Bush was stupid yet somehow he was briliant enough to win the elections twice?

Touche.  Actually, to the left Bush was simultaneously the dumbest chimp of a chump President in history and the most evil genius of a backroom schemer in history.  I'm much more impressed with someone who can be brilliant while looking stupid than someone who can be a dunce while looking brilliant.  The media's infatuation with BO is a little too reminiscent of Chauncey Gardiner for me.

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Reply #19 January 22, 2009 3:18:08 PM
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And his work as a lawyer for the homeless would also have to accomplish something. Many people invest a lot of time doing good without having an impact.

Clearly we have very different views of brilliance. I've never thought it has to be tied to selflessness (eg you can have a brilliant lawyer, or accountant, or high school student who's never volunteered a day in their life) but if you do that's your right as a native English speaker. But I'm not going to participate further in this discussion when the goal posts are so unusual and unpredictable.

Hmm, so are you know admitting that Bush was very smart? I don't understand this whole double standard. Bush was stupid yet somehow he was briliant enough to win the elections twice?

It's not admitting. I think he has the common sense of a beetle, and is hideously blinded by ideology, but he hired good people (Rove) who could compensate for his weaknesses, That's pretty smart.

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Reply #20 January 22, 2009 3:23:29 PM
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Clearly we have very different views of brilliance.

Perhaps.

But in this case I think it more likely that you are assuming a context-free environment. It is not. I thought it was clear that I was talking about Obama's brilliance with regard to leading or serving a country.

 

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Reply #21 January 23, 2009 3:13:12 AM
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But in this case I think it more likely that you are assuming a context-free environment. It is not. I thought it was clear that I was talking about Obama's brilliance with regard to leading or serving a country.

I still don't consider selflessness to be particularly important in leading or serving a country. Brilliant leaders rarely show much selflessness save through the intensity of their work. Charity workers, for example, aren't more likely to be brilliant leaders than Rhodes scholars, who are handpicked for intelligence, leadership and sporting ability.

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Reply #22 January 23, 2009 5:05:58 AM
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I still don't consider selflessness to be particularly important in leading or serving a country.

It's still not relevant.

I am looking for examples of Obama's brilliance, not explanations for why examples of his charity work wouldn't qualify.

 

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Reply #23 January 23, 2009 7:29:20 AM
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He won the presidency? Seriously, it's not that easy to do, even with an eminence gris. And I haven't heard any rumours of a Karl Rove figure in Obama's background.

  That is because liberals want you to think they are so smart, and conservatives are so dumb!  So of course it works for the feeble minded.  But guess what?  If you let your opponent define you, you have lost.  SO YOU think that, and the rest of us with the ability of critical thinking will KNOW differently.

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Reply #24 January 23, 2009 12:13:11 PM
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I keep clicking on here to see if there's some brilliant thing Obama said or did that I'm not aware of.  I mean certainly with all the millions who voted for him.  There must be something?

You guys are really letting me down.

Nothing? 

 

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Reply #25 January 23, 2009 12:33:47 PM
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You guys are really letting me down.

 

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