Our local Business Journal did an article on this over the summer and it was picked up by the paper (around the one year mark) and reported either no measurable effect or an increase in profits for most area businesses (though they did say they can't attribute the increase in profits to the smoking ban).
I would find that article highly suspect, but of course you actually want to believe it without question. My point wasn't about the smokers, but about the government's affect on the incomes of the businesses affected as your original article and subsequent comments had a lot to do with your concerns over your own potential loss of income. Not so much about smoking bans but more about how easy is it to support something until it comes around to affecting you personally. If you really support the "majority rules" concept then you should wholly support the idea of your husband losing his position in the military as well as all of the other negatives you seem concerned about since the majority has elected Obama to office.
And no, it isn't apples and oranges at all if you examine my actual point instead of the example I chose to use.
But just to point out how misled you are about the finacial facts:
August 4, 2008
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- A group of bar owners spent Monday afternoon protesting Kanawha County's smoking ban.
The group walked from the Fifth Quarter Steakhouse to the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department on Lee Street.
The county's new smoking ban went into effect July 1. The ban prohibits smoking in most public places including bars and gambling parlors.
Since the ban went into effect, bar owners have complained it has devastated their businesses. In fact, some bar owners say their profits are down by nearly 50 percent.
The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association wants bars that have less than 10% of their gross receipts in food sales to be able to purchase a smoking permit for their establishment.
"We're trying to keep people in business," said Pat Carroll, the organization's current president.
Carroll says the motivation for the request is the financial livelihood of bars, whose owners in many cases have their life savings invested in the business.
"Business is down already 30% to 50% in the bars," said Carroll. "The beer vendors who service the bars -- they're down 40%. I'm also in the vending business. Our collections are down 25% - 30% and that's just since May 3."
Nearly two years after voters passed Ohio's smoking ban, some Toledo area business owners and private club officials are backing a legislative effort to exempt some bars and other establishments. Ohio's draconian smoking ban has financially hurt bars, private clubs, and other businesses, said Pam Parker, co-founder of Opponents of Ohio Bans. A drop in wholesale liquor sales, closures, and other ill effects are proving it to lawmakers, she added.
"If we don't get our businesses back as business owners, we're not going to have anything," Ms. Parker told about 75 people during a meeting last night in Sommerset Hall, 2458 Tremainsville Rd. "This is our last shot," she said.
Cincinnati, OH (AHN) - Bar owners in Ohio say a statewide ban on smoking in public places is bringing small businesses to the breaking-point. Owners of small bars, bowling alleys and other establishments say an exemption should be written in to help bring back customers.
A coalition of 300 bar owners will lobby the state government to install exceptions allowing places that receive no more than 10 percent of their revenue from food, such as bars and taverns, to allow smoking.
Patrick Carroll, president of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association explains, "Too many places are losing too much money. Some are on the verge of closing their doors." The group has collected almost 1,500 signatures pushing for an exemption for bars.
According to the Cincinnati Post, the group must collect 140,000 signatures to force the legislature to consider it. About 400,000 signatures would be needed to put the issue on the ballot if lawmakers refuse.
Since Ohio’s smoking ban began being enforced, business is down about 20 percent at Martini & Nuzzi’s bar in Maumee, where owner Cheryl Jiannuzzi now spends time sweeping up cigarette butts from the sidewalk, and customers such as Jeff Husnick of Toledo and Chris Havermale of Perrysburg fume.
SHARON, Pa. — Geno Rossi used to see the same faces day after day at the bar he manages, Our Gang Lounge on Sharpsville Avenue — until Ohio banned smoking.
"There are a couple of [periods of the week] that are really dead and then we started getting people in. We figure they're coming from Ohio," Rossi said.
It's all part of a phenomenon that some Pennsylvania barkeeps are seeing since Ohio authorities started to crack down on the smoking ban passed by voters. The ban prohibits smoking in most public places, including bars.
"Yeah, I've heard some people say they've come here because they can't smoke in Ohio," said John Brent, a bartender at Billy's Black and Gold, also on Sharpsville Avenue.
The Ohio smokers tend to come over to the sports bar on weekends, he said.
Cathy Dubrasky, owner of the Golden Bear Tavern in West Middlesex, Pa., has been noticing new faces throughout the week too.
"We get a lot of people from Hubbard. They're just as close to here as some of the bars in Hubbard," she said. The Golden Bear Tavern is about four miles from the state line, she estimates.
The nearby Middlesex Tavern is also seeing an increase, says manager Cindy Sheasley.
"We just had a group of four people come in and say 'Since we can't smoke on Ohio, we'll make this our hangout,'" Sheasley said.
In Lawrence County, Nite Trax Lounge on U.S. Route 224 has seen such an increase that they've had to add more bartenders and waitresses to some shifts, said Debi Spincic, a bartender at Nite Trax for 15 years.
Patrons are coming from Boardman, Poland and Struthers to the bar, which is only about an eighth of a mile from the Ohio line.
"There's a lot of people who come and see the ashtrays and say 'Thank God we can smoke, we thought we were in Ohio,'" Spincic said.
She estimates business has increased 20 percent to 25 percent since the smoking ban went into effect.
Ohio bars suffer
The voters have spoken so it must be good, right?