You've got that right, LW. But freedom isn't the absence of authority, but in being held to obey only just and legitimate authority. Our American heritage was built upon freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....freedom of religion, association, speech, etc.  

Reminds me of a quote from Charles Kingsley that goes something like this....

We are not free to do what we like, but we are free to do what we ought to do...

But we are no longer one America, a united people, a melting pot dedicated and working for the common good. Rather , we're divided into special interest groups that clamours for freedom to do what we like..and expect the government to deliver....and it does and in doing so, we lose freedom. 

I meant freedom....

As an example, take the pro-abortion crowd who clamour for abortion on demand...(when an abortion occurs, the baby in the womb lose his freedom to be born.)

Take the Christian religion and so called separation of Church and State....why should a person of religious faith be forced to give up his freedom of conscience and be forced to pay (through taxation) for things like education, medical practices, and same sex health benefits, etc, that violate their moral principles and conscience?

Ok , they can stop paying taxes. They don't need police , fire , anything like that... Let God protect them, It's God's will , isn;t it?

Um, not really... I just used an old joke to make a point... that when you quietly think something to yourself it is private, that it is an entirely different kettle of fish when you make those thoughts public... like the effwit who hung the effigy of Sarah Palin in his yard.   Sure he had every right to think it privately, but he made it public and there are consequences/repercussions as a result of his action.  There are plenty of people (myself included) who dislike Sarah Palin but still would consider the act pretty low, distasteful and condoning violence/lynching (myself included), while others would think it funny and condone it,

It is a thought made public that has the potential  to cause rifts within communities, families, between friends.... particularly during the 'mad' period prior to US elections.

What's this about?  That's news to me, I thought I was on the WC forums?!

Can anyone please clue me in on this, seriously am I on the WC forums or JoeUser???

unclerob, this is a Joe User post which bled into (cross posted) WinCustomize Forums. How to tell? Damned if I know!

When you run into a Mod or Admin, ask. I couldn't explain the logic of why it happens, either.

Haven't been called 'sir' since my Navy days, so thanks for that.   However, the randomly recorded behavior of the fringe is ugly on both sides, always has been.  It's more about how 'organized' supporters 'handle it' - there is nothing anywhere even close to the hatred & spew of Daily Kos or Democratic Underground.  I know of no 'right-wing' equivalent.  It was John McCain himself who came to Obama's defense when an intemperate remark was made at one of his townhalls.  I'd love to hear that Obama repudiates intemperate remarks at his rallys.  Oh, wait... that would mean he'd have to repudiate his own remarks (e.g., re: bitter Pennsylvanians clinging to their guns & religion), so nevermind.

I wish she had some wolf in her as well! Now where are those planes!?

Always the arrogant, dismissive condescension - happens without fail.  When they can no longer defend or argue the facts, they shoot ya the bird.

Adios, my friend... don't think I'll miss you.

Or in this case, the moose?

Honest, Starkers. It appeared on MSNBC (hardly supportive of her). There's enough 'wrong' with her candidacy without that. The truth is that the sounds heard weren't those hateful words when analyzed.

As for the yellow snow issue, and the moose that are terror stricken....that's fact and can't be ignored by any discerning voter!

If I could award 1,000 karma points on that one, I would. <----- New symbol for 1K karma points.

I wonder if those great gun and hunting enthusiasts would be so enthusiastic if the amimals could shoot back?

To kill animals for food is one thing...but to kill them because you have deemed them a problem after moving into they're territory is bad enough AND proposing a $150.00 bounty on the front left foreleg for every one you kill is just plain sick. That woman disgusts me.