As we have seen from Christ’s day forward until the end of time, there will be insults, persecution, hatred, including barbs like this of Leauki's
That was your story about the Jews and Jesus, not mine.
You want to talk insults, persecution, and hatred? Look at what Christians have done to Jews in the past. There's your insults, persecution, and hatred.
Yes, that's not current Christians. But then current Christians shouldn't complain about being persecuted by Jews either.
Considering the sources for each, I don't have the slightest trouble knowing which one is truth and which one is lie.
Is that supposed to be one of those insults you were talking about?
Either way, here's the simple truth:
The story that Jesus' father was not Joseph, the husband of Miriam's is a Christian invention, as is the idea that Jesus was more than just a man.
What you have read as a story the Jews "made up", was simply that story in other words. That's what a "bastard" who claims to be a "prophet" is. If you don't like it, don't be a Christian.
The Jews who made up that story were the early Christians.
The Romans blamed the Jews for killing Jesus, even though it was the Romans who did it; and now Christians blame Jews for making up the story that Jesus was a "bastard" and a self-proclaimed "prophet", even though it was Christians who made up that legend.
I can tell you here and now that _I_ don't believe that Jesus was a bastard. As far as I know he was an off-spring of the family of David and I have no doubt that his mother's husband was his father.
I can also tell you that _I_ don't believe that he was a self-proclaimed prophet. As far as I know he was a rabbi and a bit of a hippie.
And I can tell you that I don't believe that Jesus had any kind of magic or godly powers.
That's pretty much the view Judaism has of Jesus. So please don't tell us that Jews made claims about Jesus being a "bastard" or learned "magic" or was a "false prophet", because that's simply not something (non-Christian) Jews ever say about him.
And while we are at it: Why don't you stop claiming that certain Jewish rabbis are gods?
Source: the Talmud, a book known for its blasphemies against Christ written by rabbis, all rejectors of Christ, practicing the Judaism after the coming of Christ whose rites are vain and useless.
Have you read the Talmud? The "source" for Jesus being a "bastard" is Christian faith. It was Christians who claimed that Mary's husbands was not Jesus' father. Traditional Jews would NEVER make a claim like that about another Jewish family.
Incidentally, your allegation about Jesus in the Talmud is an anti-semitic lie.
Why do you continue to make statements about writings you haven't read? First there was your (and KFC's) long explanation of how the Bible said something you wanted it to say, based on not the Bible's actual text but words in the English translation that don't exist in Hebrew (like "our"), and now there is your "knowledge" of the Talmud.
Perhaps you should really learn something about Judaism and Biblical Hebrew (and Mishnaic Hebrew, if you want to study Talmud).
To understand Christianity better a study of Judaism might be helpful, just as I try to understand Judaism better by studying all Semitic legends. Or is that too inconvenient?
I'll give you a head start: "Talmud" means "that which is to be learned". It is based on the root LMD which means "study" or "learn". Thence derive "lilmod" ("to learn") and "talmid" ("student"). Arabic for "student" is "talib". The Talmud are commentaries on the Bible based on the Oral Torah, the parts of the Bible that were not originally written down. The Oral Torah framework has existed for as long as the Torah.
If you want to understand Christianity better, I suggest you find out why Christianity rejects the Oral Torah (and why stories are made up about the Talmud as if to keep people away from studying it).
Now, I did find references to Jesus mentioned in the Talmud via Google. One top result was an essay of David Duke's. Another one was this excellent bit:
I love it. It contains the same linguistic leaps one finds so often in "Christian" anti-Jewish writings:
Jewish sources avoid the Greek name "Jesus", meaning 'savior', and abbreviate Jeschua to "Jeshu' which means "may his name be blotted out!"
"Jesus" is indeed Greek, but it doesn't mean "savior". ("Christ" does, I think.) "Jesus" is simply the Greek version of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (YHVW3, "W" is a Shin, "3" is an Ayin), like "Moses" is the Greek version of Hebrew "Moshe" (MWH).
"Yehoshua" does not mean "may his name be blotted out" (Hebrew for name is "shem" and doesn't appear in "Yehoshua"). "Yehoshua" means "G-d is salvation" (or something along the lines), with the first part being God-s' name and the second being "Yishua" (YW3H, "salvation").
It's amazing the wealth of anti-Semitic lies I find whenever I google for some "fact" you or KFC come up with. It truly is.
Do you understand now why I so often put the word "Christian" in quotes when I refer to the faith as you describe it?