Ladies and gentlemen, the high tone of this debate seems to be sinking for some of you.
To "Kickin'" - First, I didn't say that because you are a Christian you shouldn't talk about politics. Is that a wilfull distortion on your part or just a careless mistake? I said that your mixing of politics and religion disturbs me. That is because we have this thing built into our Constitution that is popularly referred to as "separation of church and state". Religious wars have always been the ugliest wars, and so far this one has been very ugly indeed.
Your reference to Jesus coming with a sword is somewhat controversial, and many biblical scholars of all persuasions think that the word "sword" was a metaphor. That is in fact what I believe, and you are perfectly entitled to your own interpretation. This argument can't be won by either of us.
As for your statement that, in the Bible, helping the poor was not about "free handouts", I think that sometimes it is. I refer you to Luke 3:11, Luke 12:33, Deuteronomy 15:10, Proverbs 19:17, and Isaiah 58:10. I agree that other verses take a different view, but I think these sufficiently support my point. Can you name three Republican government programs designed to help the poor in any direct way?
Dr. Guy - Sorry, but no official source in either the United States or British governments has denied the authenticity of the Downing Street memo. The right wing press doesn't count, any more than the left wing press would as a refutation to one of your points. So I will continue to assume that the Downing Street memo is real. That, added to the 237 documented (and undisputed) administrations about the Iraq War, added to the Valerie Plame scandal, proves to me, and millions of other Americans, that this was a war of choice, which under international law is a crime, just as when Germany and Russia invaded Poland. You are, apparently, immune to persuasion, so believe what you want. But next time you make a statement like "the Downing Street Memo was proved to be a fraud", back it up. With facts, if you can.
ParaTed2k - First, regarding your contention about FDR's policies prolonging the Great Depression, I looked into it, and was surprised to learn that quite a few people agree with you. Here's what I found out, though there may be a more recent reference for you to find. In 1995, a survey was taken of economic historians (I think at the college level), around the statement: "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of the economists, 27% agreed, while 22% agreed "with provisos" (doesn't tell what they were), and 51% disagreed. Of the historians, 27% agreed, while 73% disagreed. While I disagree with you, enough people share your opinion that I give it credence. However, I am baffled by macroeconomics, so cheerfully admit I do not have the knowledge to competently argue the point. I'll settle for the fact that in the above study, my position was supported by a slim majority among the economists and a large majority among the historians. One last thing, Newt Gingrich gave FDR credit publicly for having ended the Great Depression, so at least one noteworthy person from your side of the aisle agrees with me. Shall we call this one an unresolvable draw?
Back to "Kickin'" - Mrs. Obama did not call us "whiteys", and that has been satisfactoily debunked. You're still an example of a wilfully misinformed person, which makes you the perfect Republican. Good on ya! Throw Farrakhan at Obama, take Hagee with McCain. Throw Wright at Obama, take Parsley with McCain. What about his lobbyist-campaign staff?
Back to Dr. Guy and your response to my several questions. Sorry, dude, you metaphorically threw down your racquet and walked off the court on those. And since you compared the Articles of Impeachment to "spitting on the sidewalk", I'm afraid it's obvious that in spite of what you say, you haven't really read them. You may disagree with them, you might even make a case that some of them are minor compared to the others, but you can't simply dismiss them out of hand and have any credibility as a thoughtful person. Your ignorance has betrayed you, and here is an example: President Bush stated that he has the power to define anyone as an "illegal enemy combatant", which would enable him to immediately order the imprisonment of that person in, say, Guantanomo. That person would not be allowed to see a lawyer or even to know the charges against him. That's what the Supreme Court recently overturned, thank God. For you not to know that is simply appalling. By the way, Constitutional rights do not just apply to citizens, they apply to "persons". Keep drinking that Republican Kool-aid.
Facts, people, facts. I know you're not used to them, but here's a website for you. Factcheck.org. Non-partisan. It's where I found out that, contrary to Democratic propaganda, the number of abortions under Bush has gone down.