One of our members has written an article that offers the thesis that banning prayer in schools somehow led to a rash of school shootings.
That would be me and with the exception of this post, I shall not defend the points made in my article on your blog.
...If there is any sense to this article, full of "reap the whirlwind" it is that the shootings could have been prevented had not the All-Merciful wanted to send a message.
......this theory, that God causes or at least permits bad things to happen to punish people because America has become increasingly secular,...
If you believe what you've written here then you have come to the wrong conclusion.
That we have done bad, sinful and evil things and that we are reaping the whirlwind for having done those bad things is not God's punishment or God's revenge upon us. That idea was brought up by Foreverserenity and both KFC and I made it clear that in this case, "reaping the whirlwind" was not GOd's revenge or punishment. Here is a cut and paste...
Foreverserenity posts# 4
While I don't agree with the kicking God out of school, and think that it is a wrong thing to have done. I don't agree that this is the reason why all those bad things have happened in school. Are you saying that God, not being allowed their, so to speak, is the reason why what has happened did?
That's not a good impression for someone who doesn't believe to read about God at all. Obviously he's vengeful then, he is, but not in that way.
KFC POSTS #7 It's more God letting us have our way.
If you get a chance read Deut 28. It shows us a picture of what happens when we trust and listen to God vs what happens when we choose to turn our back on him. It's like reading the news today.
KFC, I thank you and agree with your response. When people do evil things, it's their doing, not God's vengence. Yes, this just about sums up my entire article.
History shows how things were then when God was allowed IN before these Supreme Court decisions and history shows what happened as a result of kicking God OUT of schools.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience,
why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to
kill strangers, classmates or even themselves.
LEAUKI POSTS #6
Are you really asking that question? Or are you really asking how you can rationalise it to yourself that secularism is the cause of that?
To me, the Supreme Court decisions declared that, in all public schools, we don't want God and His principles of right and wrong (morality) here anymore. We want man to determine what is right and wrong without God and thus, secular humanism was established in place of Christianity.
So, the US moved from George Washington's "It is impossible to rightly govern without God" to secular humanistic views that insist on such things as I delineated in my article.
What we see happening ever since the cultural and sexual revolution came into full play is a battleground between the first religion, Christianity based upon honoring God and His principles of right and wrong, and the second religion, Secular Humanism, based upon honoring man, or "self", and his ideas of right and wrong.
It's quite clear that America went from being a Christian nation to a Secular Humanist nation. As KFC said, "Look at the news today", and you'll see we've gone from honoring and worshipping God to honoring and worshipping man. Open a book, watch a movie, listen to songs, read our laws, and notice that every one upholds and promotes either one religion or the other.
We've gone from the Supreme Court decision of 1892, "Our laws and institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian..."
to the Supreme Court decisions of banning prayer, Bible reading and removing the Ten Commandments in all our public schools.
I then posted a recent article about the same occurring in England once Christianity was booted out in favor of secular humanism.
Here are a few highlights of the news today that KFC spoke about.
"The beliefs, values and virtues of Great Britain have been formed by the Christian faith" and the loss of that faith in public life has resulted not only in social breakdown, but the creation of a moral and cultural vacuum
In an article in the new political magazine Standpoint, the Rt. Rev. Dr. Michael Nazir-Ali, the Anglican Bishop of Rochester, pinpointed the "social and sexual revolution" of the 1960s orchestrated by Marxist academics, as the source of the sudden collapse of Christian values. The "endless self-indulgence" of the "new Britain" has resulted in skyrocketing rates of drunkenness, drug abuse, street violence, family breakdown.
"It is this situation that has created the moral and spiritual vacuum in which we now find ourselves. While the Christian consensus was dissolved, nothing else, except perhaps endless self-indulgence, was put in its place," he wrote.
Britain's social values such as the dignity of human life, equality before the law and freedom are developments of Christian values, the Pakistan-born Nazir-Ali said, and without their Christian foundation, will break down in favour of new belief systems based on different values.
The bishop wrote that Britain's historical reality is that it was Christianity that unified a "rabble of mutually hostile tribes, fiefdoms and kingdoms" into a nation conscious of its identity and strong enough to form a global empire. Dr. Nazir-Ali credited the rise of neo-Marxism among academics in the 1960s who orchestrated the "social and sexual revolution" to which Church leaders "all but capitulated".
Ominously, Hitchens adds, "We have a country demoralised in every sense, its people robbed of their own pride, its children deprived of stability and authority, terrifyingly ignorant of their own culture, its tottering economy largely owned from abroad, its armed forces weak, its justice system a sick joke, its masses distracted by pornography, drink and drugs, its constitution menaced, its elite in the grip of a destructive, intolerant atheism.