How do i know that Settlements are built on top of former villages? It's simple Maths really. People moving to Israel needed a place to live. Prior to 1948 Palestines Jewish population was 6%. It is now upwards of 76%. The very land the west gave Israel was Palestinian in origion, and held Palestinian towns and villages.
No, my friend. You didn't say that Jews replaced "Palestinians" in 1948. You said:
"Palestinenian settlements are buldozed down and in their place Israeli settlements are built."
Present tense, not past tense.
Anyway, Jewish population in "Palestine (Land of Israel)" (as the official name of the territory was then) was not 6% before 1948. It was more than 50% in the part that was to become the Jewish part.
If it had been 6%, there would have been a grand total of 30,000 Jews in the area during the war of independence. You are so wild on maths? Do the maths!
Incidentally, the land the Jews lived on back then was land the Jewish National Foundation legally bought. The Arab villages were not part of the plan. The Zionists did not actually believe that the Arabs would attack them and that there would be a war.
Do the math. Do you believe that 30,000 Jews believed that 500,000 local Arabs plus millions of Arabs from Judaea and Samaria, Gaza, Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, and Iraq could be beaten if only somebody started a war? That would be insane.
The truth is, and if you do the math you will see it, that there were several hundred thousand Jews, a majority in the western half of "Palestine" who did not want a war and were not prepared for it.
The question is not how you know that there are Jewish villages now where Arab villages used to be (and I am sure it is the same in Arab countries except the other way around), the question is why you claim that Israel _is_ bulldozing Arab villages now to settle Jews at their place. That's the allegation you made and it is still a lie.
It is an interesting point you make about the Jewish refugees, indeed it's never been brought up here, a point that refers me directly to the distorted media issue.
It has been brought up here. I was referring to the media who you claim reported a distorted pro-Israeli image of the conflict. My point was that you won't find many reports in the western press who even mention the fact that Jews and Arabs, in roughly the same numbers, shared whatever pains come with being expelled or fleeing. However, there is no UN plan to help Jewish refugees and nobody mentions them in the western media.
If you insist that the press has a pro-Israeli bias, I will have to demand that you show me examples. I gave you two examples of anti-Israel bias (not mentioning Jewish refugees but claiming that Arab refugees are a problem and Israel's fault and not reporting the fact that Hizbullah shelled Israel for five years).
I think you worried incase i think there's a big world wide jewish conspiracy. I don't, you right in that distortion works both ways, but lets take my point a bit further and say walk down any English or American high street and ask the average person whose responsible for the conflict in Israel / Palestine. The answer i'd assume would be Palistine in most cases (i could be wrong). Most people, in my generation especially, are not even aware of the 1947-1948 war and how it was the UN's inconsideration that caused the war.
No. It was an Arab attack that caused the war. It was Arab nationalism that tried to unite Syria and "Syria Palestina" for decades and it was Arab nationalism that fought a war against ALL ethnic minorities, especially Jews, and especially a Jewish state.
Arab Palestinian leaders cooperated with the Nazis. Did you know that? Arafat's uncle and mentor recruited Muslims for the SS. He spoke on Radio Berlin about it during World War II. The Arab nationalists also planned a pro-German revolution in Iraq (then a Hashemite kingdom). And to this day Syria refuses to hand over the last remaining German war criminals.
The conflict has NOTHING to do with the UN. Nobody thought that the Arabs would actually go through with trying to exterminate the Jews. People thought those were empty threats, especially considering that the Holocaust just ended in Europe. The Zionists thought that the Arabs might attack though and were prepared... prepared to the extent that they could be without major allies.
If you ask an American who is responsible, few will answer "the Nazis" or "Arab nationalists". The reason for that is that most people, like you, have fallen for the lie that "Palestinians" are a distinct Arab people. They are not. They are inhabitants of Palestine, a region. And they were Arabs, Jews, Druze, and others. The idea that inhabitants of middle-eastern regions or countries would be ethnically pure is not an Islamic idea, it came from Europe.
If you ask me who is responsible, I will tell you that Arab nationalists are resposible. Just like they are reponsible for what happened to the Kurds in Iraq and for what happens to the Darfurians in Sudan now.
If your going to sit there and deny that Palestinian houses and villages have not been demolished then i'm sorry mate but this 'debate' is over, but before it is, let me just say i agree entirely with your point of Arab lack of tolerance for your people.
Good. Then the debate is over. You tell your lies about Israel and pretend you are never called on them. But repeat the bulldozer story, and I will point out the lie. You don't have to debate it.
And in my experience Arabs have a much greater tolerance for a Jewish presence in "Palestine" than western liberals and do-gooders who believe the stories made up by the PLO, Hamas, Syria, and Iran.
I have met Israeli Arabs and Arabs from the territories. The vast majority were really friendly. And very few had even heard of the stories I was told about Israel by American and European liberals.
The next time you see a picture of a Gazan blackout and people with candles, do yourself a favour: check the background of the picture. Last time they did it wrong and the street and shop lights were still on (and very bright) and plainy visible. It doesn't take much to fool westerners.
It's a disgrace really and i think if Islam is to become more accepted in the west it needs to distance itself with people who act so aggresivley towards those that don't follow it's teachings.
Islam has nothing to do with it. The PLO and the secular rulers who kept attacking Israel before the 1980s were not Islamic. They were secular nationalists trying to unite all Arab countries into one big entity with no room for smaller state. (Syria still doesn't recognise Lebanon as a country.)
You are mistaking Iran's mad mullah and their militias and the "Muslim" Brotherhood (including Hamas) for Islam. They are not.
Islam is a monotheistic religion based on the same myths and legends as Judaism. Muhammed himself believe in the same G-d as Moses and the Quran repeats and confirms the story of G-d telling Moses to lead the Jews into the promised land AND LIVE THERE. The Quran also speaks of two exiles and says that there won't be a third.
Muslims call Jerusalem "Al-Quds" ("The Holy") because it is the city of the temple of G-d. A Muslim ruler built a mosque on the Temple Mount a few hundred years after Muhammed for that reason. (Otherwise the city would have no meaning in Islam, but it does; and the Muslims did not just build beautiful mosques on all hills in conquered cities.)
I completely accept Islam and have no problems with it as a religion. But the secular nationalists, like the PLO, the Baath party, the Nasserists, and the Syrian Nationalsocialist party, are certainly to blame for the violence and the conflict.
Read this:
http://www.netneurotic.net/Extrablatt/
It's satire, but all the quotes are real. I just rewrote all the descriptions in a politically correct way. The news I report is real. The quotes are indeed from 1944 (except for Elizabeth Herman and "Franz" Buchanan). I just renamed Nazi officials as "human rights advocates" (without changing the report of what they actually did) and Arab Nazis became "religious leaders" (again without changing what they did).
Reads like todays news. But maybe you know what really happened back then?
