1. you wont see a return on this investment...our economy is showing it
We invested billions of dollars rebuilding all of Europe and people said the same thing back then. Yet we have seen that return on our investment many fold. Every time it has been tried it has worked, and every time we hear the same crap that it won’t work, what makes you think that it won’t work this time?
2. leaving a good thing save our resources and allow the un to adjust the mess - we ay the un alot of money time they use it
You’re kidding right? Name one mess the UN has fixed? Let’s see if I remember correctly. In 1950 North Korea invaded the south and the UN sent in peace keepers. When china entered the war the UN got gutless and called for an armistice. That war is still going on 58 years later and America is stuck there defending the peninsula by its self under UN mandate. We have our people being killed on a regular basis there but you don’t seem to care about that do you? I was wounded there in the 70’s while deactivating an IED my partner was turned into air pollution. Remember the Blackhawk down situation? That was another UN mandate. Was it ever resolved? No we left there with our tails between our legs because Al Qaeda set a trap for us and the president ran away proving that when we get hurt we run away. Where was the UN to fix that mess? How about Bosnia? Wait that was UN and NATO, we are still getting our people killed there do you care? When Mr. Carter was president we lost 20 thousand troops in his four years as a peace time president. Yet Mr. Carter is called a man of peace. Mr. Bush has been president for 7 years and we have lost less than 5 thousand in a war that the opposition said would take 10 thousand deaths the first day. If you want to save resources then how about we pull our troops out of Korea, Japan, Italy, Spain, and Germany? We have over 2 million troops in the US military.
3. there is no progress learn your history the people there will never fold and give up historical fact we are only wasting time and money and lives for nothing
People like you have said the same exact thing during the civil war, Spanish American war, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam war, the Gulf war, and the war on terror. Each war we have won and two that we have won we ended up losing because of the naysayers.
Add to that the sayings that the people don’t want to be free, can’t handle freedom, and would prefer living under a dictatorship. Sound familiar? It is what was said when we freed German, Italy, and Japan from dictators. Also we have the naysayers telling us that we can’t beat the Soviet Union because they are too big and they have the Bomb, yet we defeated them, it took 40 years to do it because of the naysayers but we did it. We have done something no on had ever done we defeated the nation of Afghanistan with military force. The British, and the Soviet Union both failed to do that. Yet you say we are failing.
4. as soon we leave in any way what will happen iran will take control reguardless
They can only take control if we leave a weak Iraq behind. This is going to take years just like it did in Germany and Japan. Back then we had the USSR dipping its fingers in to slow progress in this case we have Iran. What is the difference? Iran does not have the bomb and their troops are not able to fight us and their people don’t want to fight us. This means that if we do in Iraq what we did in Germany and Japan we will not have to go to war with Iran. If we leave we will. So your solution is we pull out let Iran take over let Iran get nuclear weapons and then when they threaten Israel and or the United States directly then go back and fight a bloodier war. This does not save our troops it endangers more of them. It also endangers us at home. Not too wise a choice.
5. the army is hurting soldiers commiting suicide alot are dying for no reason.
When I was active duty during the Carter administration we lost 20 thousand people in four years of peace. Look at the numbers and tell me that we were better off with an appeaser as president. The army is not hurting as you say we have 2 million troops of which less than an eighth are involved in the war. We are sending in our second stringers in to do the fighting because the enemy is not up to the task of dealing with our first string troops. Just so you know, we have three lines of warriors. Active duty, active reserve, and inactive reserve. We are currently using our active reserves with some active duty people. That is two million active duty, three million active reserves, and then the bottom of the barrel the inactive reserves which is anyone that served that is under age 68. Can you guess at how many people that is? So no we are not hurting and won’t be since recruitment is up, retention is up so we are not losing troops like we have been told.
if bush would of listened to our founding fathers then this would of not happened .
Oh please tell me what our founding fathers said that would have stopped the war that started in 1996? Remember Al Qaeda declared war on us when Mr. Clinton was president.
remeber iraq had NOTHING to do with 911
Who said that Iraq had anything to do with the attacks on 9/11? I remember President Bush in his address to congress that any nation that supported, harbored, or aided terrorist would be treated as a terrorist state. People on both sides of the isle stood and applauded showing a united front. The result of that was from that point on all those bad guys started tripping over themselves giving us aid and intelligence except Iraq. Iraq who publicly provided money and aid to terrorist around the world, said he would give his weapons of mass destruction to any terrorist that would use them on Israel and or the United States. Then he gave safe harbor to terrorist wounded in Afghanistan while we were fighting there. This information was not secret he made public broadcasts stating this. Sounds like he violated the Bush Doctrine to me, if he did not wish to be attacked he could have let the UN inspectors in to finish the job as he promised he would. He could have denied wounded terrorist access to his hospitals and his country.
What caused Iran to stop giving us aid was our own opposition party showing the world we are a nation divided. Then Iran began to go back to its old ways of messing with every nation in the region. Since the democrats have opposed our president Iran now controls Syria, and Lebanon and is funding terrorist again. We show weakness and they fill the void.
second our fathers have stated and i quote "the united states is not and shall not ever occupy or control and foreign lands
Our founding fathers said this? Wow you should tell someone about that. Does this mean that the land we took in the Spanish American war was illegal? We have to give back Guantanamo bay to the Spanish since it was taken from Spain along with the Philippines. How about our occupation of the Philippines before WWI and Germany, Italy, Japan, France, Spain, and Korea after WWII or our re-occupation of Korea by UN mandate, or our occupation of Vietnam no one noticed in the last hundred years we were breaking the law? Or is it that you wish to see it as breaking the law when it suits you?
we are not occupiers but bush is doing it. and last we wont go into the geneva conventions
Legally he can’t use the Geneva Conventions because they are written for war with other nations not terrorist. According to the conventions if a combatant is not wearing the uniform of his nation he can be shot on sight as a spy or saboteur. There are no provisions in the conventions that deal with terrorist or stateless persons. Terrorist and spies are specifically excluded from the conventions to prevent a gorilla war. If you are not in uniform then you have no rights on the battle field. Try reading them. At least once a year every service member must take 6 hours of classes on the laws and rules of war. If Al Qaeda wants to be covered by the conventions all they need to do is form a nation, declare war, and wait for us to respond. The reason they don’t do this is because once they have a piece of land to call their own it will be a smoking crater, the only chance they have is to fight a gorilla war with us. Gorilla warriors also known as terrorist are not sanctioned by the Geneva Conventions. By international laws and agreements any terrorist is a non person with no rights. We may legally do with them what we want.
remeber the words all treaties and law of the land and bush broke how many of geneva convention laws
According to what I know of the laws of warfare he broke none of them. Can you list any?
also he used torture which fathers said again we will not use and the united states is to keep out of others bussiness.
I love history but I seem to have missed this in the founding documents please tell me where I might be able to see them. It is against the Geneva Conventions to torture any soldier of any nation during a time of war. Since AQ is not a nation it is not covered by the conventions. I don’t see you complaining about the torture done to our people, or is cutting off heads of captive Americans okay with you?
