Debate #2

Are we there yet?

By on October 17, 2012 7:56:07 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Tova7

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Last night, I didn't hear anything unexpected between the two candidates.

The news maker?  Candy Crowley backing up the president during the debate, and then pulling a mea culpa after.  But personally I wasn't shocked by that.  I think Americans should expect it.  She said before millions BO was right, Romney wrong.  Then AFTER the debate said she erred.  Oops.

Kind of like running a front page story with errors, and putting the correction in the obits two weeks later.

I'm sure it is different for everyone, but the one thing that really disturbed me?  BO's answers on Libya.

On a cerebral level I understood he skipped national security briefings to play basketball, or golf, or go to fund raisers.  And I recognize Jimmy Carter (arguably the worst president ever until now) didn't leave the white house during the hostage crisis....not to golf at least...

But last night I saw BO's face as he spoke about it.  There was no passion, no burning desire to make things right.  Honestly, I don't think he believes it's a big deal.

Sure, he tried to scold Romney about playing politics...but it came across as rehearsed, insincere (knowing what he did during and after the attacks), and frankly SCARY.

Makes me wonder how he would have handled 9-11 the first go round.  We'd probably still be talking about it.  (Between fund raising and basketball games of course.)

The soft ball questions about birth control and guns.  Come on.  Really?  What the hell were those people thinking?  Who approved these stupid questions? 

Ugh.

All in all, I didn't learn anything new.  And frankly, I'd like my 90 minutes back now.

 

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October 17, 2012 7:59:56 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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October 17, 2012 8:07:57 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Who the heck is Candy Crowley?

Why can't the moderators just let the candidates debate?  Obama could have said that he said it was a terrorist attack.  He'd be lying, then, instead of the moderator.

3 minutes is a lot of time when you're talking, and that's how much extra time she gave Obama, as well.

If you really believed in Obama's chances, you wouldn't need to cheat.

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October 17, 2012 8:31:10 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Jythier,
Who the heck is Candy Crowley?
Why can't the moderators just let the candidates debate? Obama could have said that he said it was a terrorist attack. He'd be lying, then, instead of the moderator.
3 minutes is a lot of time when you're talking, and that's how much extra time she gave Obama, as well.
If you really believed in Obama's chances, you wouldn't need to cheat.

As a former tv reporter, I can say in my experience it is easy to believe people like you and think your opinion matters when you're talking to a camera that can't talk back.  Go long enough without challenge, without hate mail, and it is very easy to just slide into the belief that you know more than everyone else...because HEY it is your job and people LISTEN to you.

(Until you meet someone in the grocery store who wants a piece of your butt or spends 30 minutes detailing your errors ... lol...but that's another story.)

Candy bought into her own hype.  She believed she had the right to interject herself into the debate, take sides, and America would love her for it.  (In my experience, most media types believe they're the sword arm of the "average joe" against gov, big business, any potential big enemy that a might crush a single individual.)  I'm sure she's fairly agog this morning at the backlash.  And horrified at the way her own CNN correspondents have thrown her under the bus. 

The first woman since 1992 to moderate, and she screwed up.  I know that shouldn't matter, but it does to me.  When you consider how many women are in the media, to go since 1992, 20 years, 4 election cycles, with no female moderator? 

She just made an excellent case for delaying it another 20 years.

Shesh. 

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October 17, 2012 9:23:32 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Actually, in 4 years I hope they have a female moderator who is anxious to prove that they can do it right, and do so.

Too bad nobody asks the right questions about reproductive health for women.  Like why midwives aren't covered by insurance plans, and why nobody is doing anything about that.  That choice, you know, one that has nothing to do with killing babies, has been taken away in many places.  The choice of the location of birth, who is attending, etc. is attacked but the choice to destroy the life is okay.  I don't understand.  Anyway, what are these guys going to do about our economy being in the toilet?  Anything? 

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October 17, 2012 10:14:36 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Tova7,

Quoting Jythier, reply 2Who the heck is Candy Crowley?
Why can't the moderators just let the candidates debate? Obama could have said that he said it was a terrorist attack. He'd be lying, then, instead of the moderator.
3 minutes is a lot of time when you're talking, and that's how much extra time she gave Obama, as well.
If you really believed in Obama's chances, you wouldn't need to cheat.

As a former tv reporter, I can say in my experience it is easy to believe people like you and think your opinion matters when you're talking to a camera that can't talk back.  Go long enough without challenge, without hate mail, and it is very easy to just slide into the belief that you know more than everyone else...because HEY it is your job and people LISTEN to you.

(Until you meet someone in the grocery store who wants a piece of your butt or spends 30 minutes detailing your errors ... lol...but that's another story.)

Candy bought into her own hype.  She believed she had the right to interject herself into the debate, take sides, and America would love her for it.  (In my experience, most media types believe they're the sword arm of the "average joe" against gov, big business, any potential big enemy that a might crush a single individual.)  I'm sure she's fairly agog this morning at the backlash.  And horrified at the way her own CNN correspondents have thrown her under the bus. 

The first woman since 1992 to moderate, and she screwed up.  I know that shouldn't matter, but it does to me.  When you consider how many women are in the media, to go since 1992, 20 years, 4 election cycles, with no female moderator? 

She just made an excellent case for delaying it another 20 years.

Shesh. 

I felt that she was trying too hard... probably because of how well Martha Raddatz did in the VP debate...

Regardless

Debate 2

Obama couldn't have performed like this in the 1st debate, because he had no idea what bullshit Romney would be spewing.

Obama wins the election, unless something radical happens, like he punches a baby or something.

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October 17, 2012 10:29:29 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Despite not liking Obama's policies, I doubt he would intentionally punch a baby in an election year.

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October 17, 2012 11:22:23 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,
Obama wins the election, unless something radical happens, like he punches a baby or something.

Obama's done worse....

http://youtu.be/eILPwSOtXxI 

 

Go to 50 seconds and learn Obama's record on babies...

 

 

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October 17, 2012 11:32:15 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

The news maker?  Candy Crowley

Crowley had a chance and she blew it. Her liberal bias trumped neutrality.

 

 

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October 17, 2012 12:09:28 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,
Obama wins the election, unless something radical happens, like he punches a baby or something.

I like an optimist!  But I hope you're wrong.  Four more years of this?  Seriously, even if Romney can't do anything about the economy, just a change in command will garner more confidence.  BO's face will forever be linked with debt and death. 

Quoting Jythier,
Too bad nobody asks the right questions about reproductive health for women. Like why midwives aren't covered by insurance plans, and why nobody is doing anything about that. That choice, you know, one that has nothing to do with killing babies, has been taken away in many places. The choice of the location of birth, who is attending, etc. is attacked but the choice to destroy the life is okay.

Really great point Jyth!  And so true. 

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October 17, 2012 12:10:39 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Crowley had a chance and she blew it. Her liberal bias trumped neutrality.

I don't think anyone was surprised....but you know I always hold out a little faith in the human race.

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October 17, 2012 1:04:46 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Tova7,
Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 5Obama wins the election, unless something radical happens, like he punches a baby or something.

I like an optimist!  But I hope you're wrong.  Four more years of this?  Seriously, even if Romney can't do anything about the economy, just a change in command will garner more confidence.  BO's face will forever be linked with debt and death. 

Quoting Jythier, reply 4Too bad nobody asks the right questions about reproductive health for women. Like why midwives aren't covered by insurance plans, and why nobody is doing anything about that. That choice, you know, one that has nothing to do with killing babies, has been taken away in many places. The choice of the location of birth, who is attending, etc. is attacked but the choice to destroy the life is okay.

Really great point Jyth!  And so true. 

 

I keep waiting for someone to tell me, "Wait, yes, that was totally addressed right here in Obamacare."  That's what I really want.  Then again, I still don't like his mandatory coverages that infringe upon business owner's religious rights.

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October 17, 2012 4:36:44 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Monitored 3 live blogs of the debate rather than watch it & vomit.  Seemed to be more or less a draw, allowing for how Crowley crapped on Romney's responses (not just Libya, BTW) and kept throwing BO lifelines.  Her choice of questions was predictable, save for the one on Libya - even given that, the way it went down, hard to believe it wasn't telegraphed to BO's people beforehand.  Came off as way too convenient a setup, an attempt to give BO a shot at neutralizing the issue.  On that score, I think it failed.

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October 18, 2012 1:30:07 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Obama slithered out of the debate without answering the Libya question on security and Candy Crowley who looks like the love child of Dudley Moore and Fred Gwynn helped him.

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October 18, 2012 5:50:39 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Anthony R,
Obama slithered out of the debate without answering the Libya question on security and Candy Crowley who looks like the love child of Dudley Moore and Fred Gwynn helped him.

Is it really relevant what Candy Crowley looks like?

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October 18, 2012 8:15:17 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Jythier,
Is it really relevant what Candy Crowley looks like?

Probably not, but it didn't stop me from doing it.

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October 18, 2012 9:05:52 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Daiwa,
Monitored 3 live blogs of the debate rather than watch it & vomit.

I had it on tv but my laptop open to facebook and twitter.  The twitter-verse has some seriously FUNNY quips....keeps me from getting too worked up over the debate.

Yes, I agree Candy really helped BO out.  She doesn't strike me as the type of female who wants to wait around on the uh-uh-uh...so she just helped him along. 

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October 18, 2012 9:20:43 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Anthony R,
Obama slithered out of the debate without answering the Libya question on security and Candy Crowley who looks like the love child of Dudley Moore and Fred Gwynn helped him.

When I was in broadcasting there was an pretty solid rule about "the window."  If you weren't picked up nationally by about the age of 28-30 (tops) you were relegated to local reporting (which many people prefer anyway...more stable, hometown etc,).  However, even the local window of working in front of the camera wouldn't be long enough (as a general rule) from which you might retire.  Of course you can retire from the business behind the camera, and many local reporters move "up" to news director, production manager, etc.....if that makes sense.

The only places that seem to be the exception to this rule, are small communities who grow comfortable seeing the same face everyday and where competition (fierce in bigger markets) isn't really an issue.

For instance, I received my first reporting gig in North Dakota.  I finished my undergraduate degree there and it transitioned into a reporting job.  While the caliber of people in that great state is outstanding imo, you can look at the smaller town news agencies, like the one in which I started, more specifically at the reporters/anchors and understand they do not follow the "window."  Most times it's because they can't get quality "pretty" people to take the positions.  As a general rule, these over 30-somethings couldn't get hired cold in another place no matter their experience.  So they're kinda stuck in that particular region.  (Which again, may be exactly where they are happy to be.)

All that to say, when you see a woman that looks like Candy...you can bet your bottom dollar she's been in the business a LONG time.  And by the nature of the beast, has many many years of looking at things from the liberal perspective.  Why?  Because no news agency, not even FOX news, will make a habit of hiring ugly old conservative FEMALES.

If Barbara Walters tried to start her career now, if magically ALL of her skills were in place, all her experience transformed and inherent, no go.  Too old.  Same with Candy. 

It sounds fairly shallow, but if people only wanted the Who, what, why, where, when, and how, they could get it from the radio, from a single news agency.  But Americans, I'd argue people in general, want another kind of connection as well. 

Wow...didn't mean to write a book....just some thoughts....lol

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October 18, 2012 9:23:45 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Anthony R,
Probably not, but it didn't stop me from doing it.

Yeah me too.  I've grown so accustomed to pretty people filling journalist's roles, that when a real woman, age and all shows up...it's stunning, almost a taboo, and worthy of comment.

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October 18, 2012 9:38:39 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

She IS pretty.

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October 18, 2012 9:53:29 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Jythier,
She IS pretty.

Who?  Candy?

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October 18, 2012 9:57:46 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Well, you too.

 

But yes.

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October 18, 2012 1:49:49 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Jythier,
Well, you too.

But yes.

Well I didn't think you were talking about me Jyth..haha.

But ok.  You think she's attractive.  Different strokes

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October 18, 2012 2:14:29 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I'm not sure you understand what I'm getting at.

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October 18, 2012 4:33:03 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Jythier,
I'm not sure you understand what I'm getting at.

lol Yeah, you're right....I can be a little thick sometimes

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October 18, 2012 4:40:27 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

In a day where looks are what's stressed in the media, it damages women's confidence, which is sad to me.  Do we really want to lash out at the looks of the woman who got in without looking like a model?  How many little girls are scarred early because of that attitude?  It makes me very sad.

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