Brief Note to the Atheist

By on September 14, 2011 2:22:11 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I don’t have a problem with atheists — each to his own comfort level — nonetheless, it is ridiculous for one of that inclination to get rattled to the extent that others of belief are denied their comfort. Atheism by definition is free from religion. Theists are free to believe as they see fit; atheists should look upon these  " misguided" as pathetic but have the right to the "wrong" path. If, however, atheist take on the passion of "religion" in their belief that there is no God, they in reality are in the business of propagating their non-faith as feverishly as the old Marxist line. In this respect they are as trapped in "belief" as the rest of us pathetic  old fools. They should therefore lobby for a limited currency series that states "In "God we do not trust," or a postage stamp that shows a black hole with the inscription "Godless."  

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December 1, 2011 8:26:31 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Today, any objective person can only conclude that the staggeringly high numbers and instances of these pathologies in our student population are causalties of Humanist classroom sex instruction.

No, that is what some religiously indoctrinated are told to think by their "authorities" whether that be their church leaders or political propagandists, etc. Some choose to believe it and others don't. Most people I know and that includes many religious folk believe that the causes and solutions to these problems are revealed through science and education not religious dogma. Do you not believe in the medical sciences? Obviously you give no bearing to the social sciences. Do you honestly believe that taking prayer out of schools causes depression and suicide?

Quoting lulapilgrim,
But with the cultural and sexual revolution of the early 60s, came the infusion of the principles of Secular and Atheistic Humanism into the curriculum of our schools. Humanistic educators believe the proper role for schools is to change, create or clarify student's values and since God was reduced to irrelevant, the only absolute truth is that there are no absolutes values

You know absolutely nothing about secular humanism.

 

 

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December 2, 2011 9:07:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Yep, in 1962, we let the Supreme Court kick God and Christian prayer and principles out of school. Put Secular Humanism in its place. ANd what's that done for us?

SAT scores on tests that have been made easier....down.

Teen Suicide up.

Illegal drugs up.

Criminal arrests of teens up.

School killings of student upon student, student upon teachers up.

Births to unmarried school girls up.

Abortion up.

Bullying up.

Teacher/student sex abuse up.

Student depression up.

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Quoting Smoothseas,
Today, any objective person can only conclude that the staggeringly high numbers and instances of these pathologies in our student population are causalties of Humanist classroom sex instruction.

Quoting Smoothseas,
No, that is what some religiously indoctrinated are told to think by their "authorities" whether that be their church leaders or political propagandists, etc. Some choose to believe it and others don't. Most people I know and that includes many religious folk believe that the causes and solutions to these problems are revealed through science and education not religious dogma. Do you not believe in the medical sciences? Obviously you give no bearing to the social sciences. Do you honestly believe that taking prayer out of schools causes depression and suicide?

It's called having empirical knowledge of that time. Anyone who went to public school during the 50s received a superb, classical education backed with Judeo-Christian principles, ethics and morals culture.  Ask anyone who went to school back then and they will agree with what I'm saying.

THEN.....A radio or TV station was in danger of losing its operating license if it permitted swear words..as we have discussed.prayer and Bible reading was permitted. It was safe for children to walk to and from their neighborhood schools. There was no drug problem, no "X" rated or R-rated movies. There were no co-ed dorms on college campuses or in Armed Force barracks, no abortions, no open homosexuality, no HIV/AIDS. Then sex was a personal word, homosexual was an unheard of word, and abortion was an illegal word. Then the concept of instutionalizing 13 years of sex instruction as a legitimate subject in grades K-12 seemed utterly absurd given that no one of the generations before us ever had to attend school to learn the role of sex in human life. Oh, I could go on and on.  

THEN came the 60s, social, cultural and sexual revolutions and America changed, little by little America's culture changed.  People under 50 have a hard time comprehending these changes. They've never known an America other than the one with all these appalling pathologies listed above.

So, Yes. Absolutely yes ---taking prayer and Christian moral principles out of schools and replacing that with secular and atheist Humanism causes all these pathologies listed above. It doesn't take a racket scientist to figure out that in order to instill new humanistic, "anything goes", amoral values, the old-fashioned, repressive moralistic values, especially those acquired at home or Church must be questioned and weaned.

The principles of Secular Humanism as outlined in the 2nd Humanist Manifesto were to be applied in the sex ed curriculum using the ultimate apparatus called "Values clarification" and "situational ethics". In order to instill new humanist values teachers have to disrespect parental authority and constitutional liberty and remove the emphasis of teaching traditional, moral values.

Anyway, we know for sure that schools pushing Secular and Atheistic Humanism aren't providing the same education we received back THEN. Education has been dumbed down, high school graduates can't read, and today they can't even write longhand (cursive). Little Johnny can't read so well either, but he sure knows all about role playing activities, and putting on condoms for so called "safe sex". Eight year old Susie can't rattle off her times tables, but in the area of values education, she's come to the understanding that human sexuality has all the moral equivalency of going to the bathroom.  

Quoting Smoothseas,
You know absolutely nothing about secular humanism.

Ha, ha, ha.

http://forums.joeuser.com/167151

Check out this blog from 2007! I connect the dots for you.

 

 

 

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December 2, 2011 10:19:19 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Ha, ha, ha.

http://forums.joeuser.com/167151

Check out this blog from 2007! I connect the dots for you.

My point is lulu that you seem to think secular humanism has no system of values, morals, or ethics when in fact it does. The difference is that secular humanists do not form their ethical beliefs from a a single book or religious authority. Overall many of my values are exactly the same as yours and exactly the same as many christian values. Many of my values have been formed from reading the bible and studying various religions and their texts. Where my values generally differ is in areas where science, or reality, or personal experiences challenge religious traditions. Personally I don't consider myself a secular humanist because some of my values do come from bible folklore for example. I am simply an individual who from a very early age has learned that questioning  self-proclaimed authorities can often lead to better answers and solutions to the problems that we encounter in life.

You often use information from biased, partisan,factually incorrect,politically motivated websites in your posts to form some terribly off the wall ideas about how the rest of the world is at war with you and your religion. Maybe one day you will realize that there is this huge propaganda machine using you and your religion as pawns in a huge chess game called politics.

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December 2, 2011 10:43:34 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
Maybe one day you will realize that there is this huge propaganda machine using you and your religion as pawns in a huge chess game called politics.

I've already shown you that in the 50s religion and politics got along jolly well. No problem with those two spheres of authority.

It seems to me that the secular and atheistic humanists are using the political sphere to drive the Church and Christianity out of the arenas of education, the public square and life in general.

 

 

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December 2, 2011 10:51:40 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
You often use information from biased, partisan,factually incorrect,politically motivated websites in your posts to form some terribly off the wall ideas about how the rest of the world is at war with you and your religion.

It's true. The world is at war with Christians and Christianity.

Here's the latest in the war against Christmas  ...calling the Christmas tree, well, a Christmas tree. 

Rhode Island governor gets rid of capitol 'Christmas' tree

November 30, 2011

Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee does not like a Christmas tree being called a Christmas tree. So he is changing it. According to FoX News,  Gov. Chafee has said the Christmas tree in the State House Rotunda in Providence, as of this year, will be called a "holiday" tree.

Thus the War on Christmas continues. Those like Gov. Chafee don't like the fact that the Christmas tree is identified with the Christian faith.

But Rep. Doreen Costa, called the governor a "Grinch."

She has decided to erect her own Christmas tree - at the State House. And she plans on lighting it on Dec. 6 - the same day Chafee plans to host the official "holiday" tree lighting event.

"We're going to sing Christmas carols and drink hot chocolate," she said. "And I'm going to make a sign - Christmas tree lighting to the right and holiday tree to the left. We'll see who gets the crowd."

This is ridiculous and a slap in the face to the Christian community in Rhode Island. Everyone knows trees displayed at the Capitol in December are to celebrate Christmas, a special holiday in the life of Rhode Island and in the life of our country.

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December 2, 2011 11:20:49 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
It seems to me that the secular and atheistic humanists are using the political sphere to drive the Church and Christianity out of the arenas of education, the public square and life in general.

No there are a few individuals , several politicians, media outlets etc. that manipulate issues to gain political power and/or monetary gain. The media in particular manipulates issues often blowing them way out of proportion.  There are way too many varieties of religion in this country to accommodate them all in schools in a way that adheres to the constitution and doesn't overburden the taxpayer. Religion is best taught in Church and at home .Overall most people are tolerant and the incidents you speak about are rather isolated and as I stated before many are one religious sect vs. another.

You claim that so many problems with teens these days are due to the lack of religious prayer in school. Show me the statistics that you stated exist to back up your claim. The statistics, books, documentaries, etc. that I have seen over the years tend to make me believe that these problems are ones that start at home. In households where there is domestic violence, and/or broken marriages, and /or drug abuse and/or households where children are not given the necessary amount of attention and/or guidance, Some of the problems are to varying degrees statistically tied to income levels.

Show me where the lack of religion being taught in public schools has more to do with your list of societal problems than parenting.

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December 2, 2011 11:37:45 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Thus the War on Christmas continues. Those like Gov. Chafee don't like the fact that the Christmas tree is identified with the Christian faith.

Calling it a holiday tree sounds like tolerance to me not war. Personally I'd rather see my local tax dollars spent on things that truly benefit my local community however I (who you may choose to label as a morally corrupt atheist) am tolerant of the many religious folk in my community and don't plan on knocking at the front door of the town hall demanding that the Christmas tree be taken down. Hopefully the local Jehovah's Witness clan is just as tolerant.

BTW: Christmas is not going to disappear any time soon in this country. Toys R Us and Walmart will make sure that doesn't happen! 

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December 3, 2011 12:42:23 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
You often use information from biased, partisan,factually incorrect,politically motivated websites in your posts to form some terribly off the wall ideas about how the rest of the world is at war with you and your religion. Maybe one day you will realize that there is this huge propaganda machine using you and your religion as pawns in a huge chess game called politics.

Quoting lulapilgrim,
It's true. The world is at war with Christians and Christianity.

Smoothseas, I can't say it better than George Kendall has in this article.....

The War Against The Light

By GEORGE A. KENDALL
 

 We elderly and semi-elderly people can still remember a time when nothing was less controversial than the words “Merry Christmas.”

In my childhood, in the 1940s and 1950s, I used to go about town, at Christmastime, and wish everyone I saw a Merry Christmas, without having an anxiety attack over the possibility that I might be offending a Buddhist, or a Muslim, or an atheist. Everyone responded in kind. On one occasion, I ran into my Jewish uncle (by marriage) and, in all innocence, wished him a Merry Christmas. Amazingly, he did not report me to B’nai B’rith or to the ACLU for anti-Semitism or “hate speech,” but wished me a Merry Christmas back.

Well, the world has spent the last 40 years or so descending more and more deeply into insanity, one of the symptoms of which is the increasingly common phenomenon of people wanting to ban even the use of the word Christmas. Major department stores are telling their employees to wish everyone happy holidays or something of the sort and to absolutely eschew the word Christmas. It used to be that the big battles this time of year involved Christmas displays on government property.
Now the thing is extending more and more into the private sector. Companies are sending out Christmas catalogs that, oddly enough, studiously omit the word Christmas, as just one example.

What is this all about, anyway? St. John’s Gospel, with its constant emphasis on the struggle between light and darkness, may give us some clues. Christmas has always been about light. We light up Christmas trees. We put multicolored lights on our houses, millions of them if we are highly competitive types and heavily into conspicuous consumption.
We celebrate Christmas at the time of the winter solstice, the turning point of the year, when the light of day is at its lowest level and the night is longest. That is also the point where the light begins to return and the days grow longer, imperceptibly at first but then more noticeably. When we celebrate Christmas we celebrate the return of the light after the world’s long descent into darkness. Of course, the experience of the cosmic alternation of light and darkness is universal, and every religion in the world has some kind of celebration at the time of the winter solstice.


But for Christians, this means the coming of Christ, the Light of the World, to end the long reign of darkness that sin has brought into the world. Hence, in St. John’s Prologue, we are told that “in Him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it” (John 1:4-5). But, in a perverse world, the renewal of the light does not take place without opposition. The light becomes the sign of contradiction. And so, St. John tells us that “He was the true light, that enlightens every man who comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own received Him not” (1:9-11).


Receiving the light, letting the light shine on us with all its intensity, would force us to see ourselves as we really are, to see the darkness and sin in ourselves as the horror that they really are, and to change, always a terrifying prospect. So many of us would rather stay in the darkness, we would rather go on sitting in darkness and in the shadow of death, than let the light in. And so instead of welcoming the light with joy, we hate it and try to shut it out, and persecute those who stubbornly refuse to hide it under a bushel but insist on letting it shine everywhere.

St. John sums this up brilliantly in a passage a few chapters further along: “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed” (John 3:19-20).
The war on Christmas, as it is now called, is really the war against the light. Christmas, more than any other religious observance, reminds people of the light, and those who do not wish to be reminded of the light are willing to go to greater and greater lengths to stop people from reminding them. So the very words, “Merry Christmas,” become to them an occasion to become mightily offended.

Ebenezer Scrooge, before his re-education at the hands of some spirits, epitomized this attitude: “‘If I could work my will,’ said Scrooge indignantly, ‘every idiot who goes about with “Merry Christmas” on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!’”
Scrooge is determined to live in his dark little world of joyless greed and loneliness, and can’t just live and let live when his nephew uses an expression like “Merry Christmas,” because that means reminding him of the light which he chooses not to see, let alone live in. “Merry Christmas” is a real threat to him, and so it is too for all those today who keep on waging the war against Merry Christmas. The words, even coming from people of no particular faith who just say them out of force of habit, are still a threat to them.
Scrooge might have been able to tolerate “happy holidays” or “season’s greetings,” though perhaps even those phrases might have made him a bit irritable, but “Merry Christmas” definitely called for that stake of holly.
And how do we respond during the Christmas season? Putting aside whatever we are doing year round to wage the spiritual war, we ought at the very least to make sure, at Christmastime, that we, like Scrooge’s nephew, wish a hearty Merry Christmas to everyone, especially to those who are so obsessed with trying to ban the expression.

Members of the ACLU, People for the American Way, NOW, NARAL, and comparable groups need to receive our Christmas greetings with special vehemence, keeping in mind what St. Paul said: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”
And, of course, we need to make sure that the wage-slaves at certain enterprises, who don’t dare wish us a Merry Christmas because they need their jobs, get a very warm Merry Christmas from us. It may seem like a small thing, but keeping this greeting alive is part of letting our light shine before men, and we need to do that even if it means defying the people who want us to hide it under a bushel.

And so, a Merry Christmas to all!

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(© 2005 George A. Kendall)



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December 3, 2011 2:24:01 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
Maybe one day you will realize that there is this huge propaganda machine using you and your religion as pawns in a huge chess game called politics.

Quoting lulapilgrim,
It seems to me that the secular and atheistic humanists are using the political sphere to drive the Church and Christianity out of the arenas of education, the public square and life in general.

Quoting Smoothseas,
No there are a few individuals , several politicians, media outlets etc. that manipulate issues to gain political power and/or monetary gain. The media in particular manipulates issues often blowing them way out of proportion.

Oh, that you were correct, unfortunately, you're mistaken.

In actuality, the few secular and atheistic individuals are the many. The secular and atheistic many are the ones bent on accelerating the cultural and sexual reforms in the media, politics, academia and social arenas.The secular and atheistic humanists many are the ones who have precipitated the major moral shift in moral attitudes and mores and reshaped the culture into a secular and atheistic humanist one in which faith in God shifted to faith in man, science and education.

Standards, constraints and morality are still necessary, just not those imposed by an unseen God, the Holy Bible or by Christ's Church and His revealed religion, Christianity. Secular and atheistic Humanists supplied their own. "No deity will save us; we must save ourselves." is a quote from Humanist Manifesto II. Following the philosophy and goals of Humanist Manifesto I, it wasn't long before Secular and Atheistic humanists brought about this widespread radical change in the way of life by taking control of the educational system. 

Check out the American Humanist Association. They are the ones behind the Godless holiday campaign. They are the ones who say morality doesn't come from God's revealed religion, but that it comes from individuals. They are the ones who claim the only moral benchmark is what men and women posit to be right and wrong. In reality, all good comes from our Creator God and our codes of morality have always come from and been grounded in His revealed holy, Judeo-Christian religion.

 

 

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December 3, 2011 2:46:20 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
Calling it a holiday tree sounds like tolerance to me not war.

Quoting Smoothseas,
Overall most people are tolerant and the incidents you speak about are rather isolated and as I stated before many are one religious sect vs. another.

Tolerant?

Ever since the secularists and atheistic humanists became the many, there has been a non-stop, slow but steady onslaought of kicking God and Christianity out of the public sqaure and our nation's way of life.

The secularists and Atheists in academia and government are ever working to get what is left of our Judeo-Christian heritage OUT and their own "progressive" "enlightened" ideas of life IN.  

I would submit that it won't be long before the Holy Bible is considered "hate speech" and the teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by the Church will be deemed irrational. GOvernment schools will be dedicated to freeing our children from their Judeo-Christian  beliefs.

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December 3, 2011 2:52:32 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
BTW: Christmas is not going to disappear any time soon in this country. Toys R Us and Walmart will make sure that doesn't happen!

Calling it Christmas or holiday season doesn't matter. These stores number one interest is in pushing consumerism. 

 

 

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December 3, 2011 3:28:25 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
You claim that so many problems with teens these days are due to the lack of religious prayer in school. Show me the statistics that you stated exist to back up your claim. The statistics, books, documentaries, etc. that I have seen over the years tend to make me believe that these problems are ones that start at home. In households where there is domestic violence, and/or broken marriages, and /or drug abuse and/or households where children are not given the necessary amount of attention and/or guidance, Some of the problems are to varying degrees statistically tied to income levels.

Show me where the lack of religion being taught in public schools has more to do with your list of societal problems than parenting.

 

First, these pathologies happened since Almighty God, Christian prayer and principles were removed from schools and AMerican public life.

Documentation goes to empirical knowledge. Ask anyone who is 60 years and older what were the problems in the schools of their day. They will not claim any of those pathologies on the list existed then. They all went up dramatically after 1962. 

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Quoting lulapilgrim,
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Yep, in 1962, we let the Supreme Court kick God and Christian prayer and principles out of school. Put Secular Humanism in its place. ANd what's that done for us?

SAT scores on tests that have been made easier....down.

Teen Suicide up.

Illegal drugs up.

Criminal arrests of teens up.

School killings of student upon student, student upon teachers up.

Births to unmarried school girls up.

Abortion up.

Bullying up.

Teacher/student sex abuse up.

Student depression up.

..................................................

 

As far as the SAT scores, the combined Math and Verbal scores, check out any college entrance exam boards in the 50's. Then check them in the late 60s and onward, and you'll find that even on tests made easier they dropped. Just a couple weeks ago, we learned about the vast cheating scam going on.

For teen suicide amongst the 15-19 year olds, check out the National Center for Health Statistics. In Maine, suicide is now the second leading cause of death for 15-24 year olds, second to motor vehicle deaths. It is the 3rd cause nationwide. From the 50s to 2000, teen suicide went up 450%.

Illegal drugs...check out the National Institute on Drug Abuse. From the 50s to 2000, it went up 6,000%.

For Criminal arrests of teens, check out the US dept. Bureau of the Census, Historical statistics of the US.

Same thing for births to unmarried girls. 

Google statistics on any of these things and you'll find these appalling facts.

 

 

 

 

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December 3, 2011 3:42:12 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
faith in God shifted to faith in man, science and education.

That is correct. However, the problem is faith in God alone does not and never will solve most of the problems that have faced mankind throughout history. Problems are not solved and moral questions are not answered by submitting ones self to some supernatural being. Problem are solved through man's understanding of the reality that surrounds him.

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Check out the American Humanist Association. They are the ones behind the Godless holiday campaign

They are a business who represent at best a few people in this world of 7 billion and counting. A lobbying business to be exact and no where near as powerful as the Jewish or Catholic Lobbies that litter K Street. Why do you fear them so much? They are rather inconsequential in the scheme of things.

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December 3, 2011 5:02:15 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
In actuality, the few secular and atheistic individuals are the many. The secular and atheistic many are the ones bent on accelerating the cultural and sexual reforms in the media, politics, academia and social arenas.The secular and atheistic humanists many are the ones who have precipitated the major moral shift in moral attitudes and mores and reshaped the culture into a secular and atheistic humanist one in which faith in God shifted to faith in man, science and education.

Quoting Smoothseas,
That is correct. However, the problem is faith in God alone does not and never will solve most of the problems that have faced mankind throughout history. Problems are not solved and moral questions are not answered by submitting ones self to some supernatural being. Problem are solved through man's understanding of the reality that surrounds him.

Smoothseas, 

Go back and examine that list. That surely tells what putting man in God's place and practicing the tenets, principles and values of secular and atheistic humanism has done for us! 

What has kicking Almighty God out of public, academic and political life done for us? What has mocking God and His laws and casting out the culture of life for a culture of death done for us? What is the secular and atheistic humanist society progressing towards? Confusion, chaos, unhappiness, in short, the sewers. 

 

Quoting Smoothseas,
However, the problem is faith in God alone does not and never will solve most of the problems that have faced mankind throughout history. Problems are not solved and moral questions are not answered by submitting ones self to some supernatural being. Problem are solved through man's understanding of the reality that surrounds him.

Spoken like a true, blue secular or atheistic humanist. Man is so loaded with pride and his own hubris that he thinks he can do and solve everything without God. Like Satan, instead of giving glory to God from whom we have received all things, instead Humanists pridefully claim "we will be as God."

The ultimate failure of Secular and Atheistic Humanism is in the fact that by its very nature it promises what it cannot fulfill. It encourages people to put their trust and faith in men and in earthly happiness  which is just a program for disillusionment.  

 

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December 3, 2011 5:07:29 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
As far as the SAT scores, the combined Math and Verbal scores, check out any college entrance exam boards in the 50's. Then check them in the late 60s and onward, and you'll find that even on tests made easier they dropped. Just a couple weeks ago, we learned about the vast cheating scam going on.

For teen suicide amongst the 15-19 year olds, check out the National Center for Health Statistics. In Maine, suicide is now the second leading cause of death for 15-24 year olds, second to motor vehicle deaths. It is the 3rd cause nationwide. From the 50s to 2000, teen suicide went up 450%.

Illegal drugs...check out the National Institute on Drug Abuse. From the 50s to 2000, it went up 6,000%.

For Criminal arrests of teens, check out the US dept. Bureau of the Census, Historical statistics of the US.

Same thing for births to unmarried girls.

Google statistics on any of these things and you'll find these appalling facts.

The statistics do show facts. They do not however prove that taking religious prayer out of school causes these problems. That is an assumption that you make based solely on your personal ideology. There is plenty of information in the public domain that disputes your claim.

SAT scores is the easiest topic to dispute. SAT's do not measure morals, or one's belief in God, or an individuals level of religious submission. Where do you draw any relationship between believing in God and understanding the math and verbal skills tested by SAT's?

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December 3, 2011 5:50:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Check out the American Humanist Association. They are the ones behind the Godless holiday campaign. They are the ones who say morality doesn't come from God's revealed religion, but that it comes from individuals. They are the ones who claim the only moral benchmark is what men and women posit to be right and wrong.

Quoting Smoothseas,
They are a business who represent at best a few people in this world of 7 billion and counting. A lobbying business to be exact and no where near as powerful as the Jewish or Catholic Lobbies that litter K Street. Why do you fear them so much? They are rather inconsequential in the scheme of things.

 

This is short sightedness.

The American Humanist Association are workers of the new world order. Their persistance that believing in God and following His laws is an obstacle to progress is far from being inconsequential. While I don't fear them, I do fear their work supporting the systematic assault on the basic principles of traditional morality. 

Quoting Smoothseas,
A lobbying business to be exact and no where near as powerful as the Jewish or Catholic Lobbies that litter K Street.

Powerful as the Jewish and Catholic lobbies? Care to explain "powerful"? 

 

 

 

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December 3, 2011 6:02:00 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting lulapilgrim,
new world order

Which new world order are you taking about? The fictitious one espoused by Propagandists like Glenn Beck or The same old world order that is pulling the puppet strings of both major political parties as we speak.

 

Quoting lulapilgrim,
Powerful as the Jewish and Catholic lobbies? Care to explain "powerful"?

A good example would be AIPAC.

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December 3, 2011 6:12:27 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Smoothseas,
Yep, in 1962, we let the Supreme Court kick God and Christian prayer and principles out of school. Put Secular Humanism in its place. ANd what's that done for us?

SAT scores on tests that have been made easier....down. 

Teen Suicide up. 

Illegal drugs up. 

Criminal arrests of teens up. 

School killings of student upon student, student upon teachers up. 

Births to unmarried school girls up.

Abortion up.

Bullying up.

Teacher/student sex abuse up. 

Student depression up. 

The teachers who want to expound on controversial political opinions, teach the kids to sing pro-Obama ditties, provide prayer mats and prayer time for Muslim students, or teach homosexuality is normal, acceptable, even good and if there are any objections made, the comeback is "academic freedom". THat's what schools are for, but not for the Christian religion. 

Quoting Smoothseas,
The statistics do show facts. They do not however prove that taking religious prayer out of school causes these problems.

And if you read it again, that's not what I said. These statistics show what Secular and Atheistic Humanism has done for us. 

Quoting Smoothseas,
SAT scores is the easiest topic to dispute. SAT's do not measure morals, or one's belief in God, or an individuals level of religious submission. Where do you draw any relationship between believing in God and understanding the math and verbal skills tested by SAT's?

All I claimed is what the statistics show...that SAT scores were up, way up leading to the time of the 60s when Secular and Atheistic Humanism began to control the public schools. Since then, the scores have remained depressingly low and now schools are cheating to get them higher. 

Check out where AMerica stood in world ranking then and after 1962 when prayer and Christian principles and morals were removed from government schools and secular and atheistic humanism was installed. 

I'm done on this point and will not belabor it any longer. 

 

 

 

 

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Quoting lulapilgrim,
Check out the American Humanist Association. They are the ones behind the Godless holiday campaign. They are the ones who say morality doesn't come from God's revealed religion, but that it comes from individuals. They are the ones who claim the only moral benchmark is what men and women posit to be right and wrong.

Quoting lulapilgrim,
The American Humanist Association are workers of the new world order. Their persistance that believing in God and following His laws is an obstacle to progress is far from being inconsequential. While I don't fear them, I do fear their work supporting the systematic assault on the basic principles of traditional morality.

Quoting Smoothseas,
Which new world order are you taking about?

 

There is only one New World Order forming, but it has many different factions contributing,  working toward its main goal which is world socialist dictatorship.  The American Humanist Association is but one of these factions. Besides militant Secular and Atheistic Humanists, other factions working towards a NWO are Radical Feminism and Radical Environmentalism

Quoting Smoothseas,
The fictitious one espoused by Propagandists like Glenn Beck or The same old world order that is pulling the puppet strings of both major political parties as we speak.

What Glenn Beck is doing is not ficticious. He' s very busy pushing Zionism which is another faction connected to the NWO.

I agree, all these factions are indeed pulling the puppet strings of both major political parties as we speak.The Democrat Party is totally sunk in the muck, however, there are still some Republicans, not many, who understand what we are up against and are willing to keep America from falling into the domination and tyranny of a one world government. 

 

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Quoting lulapilgrim,
What Glenn Beck is doing is not ficticious. He' s very busy pushing Zionism

He's pushing an agenda that promotes his accumulation of personal wealth. Simply practicing capitalism and saying whatever he thinks will gain him an audience and advertisers. He is actually a really good example of a propagandist. His views of many things changed practically overnight as can be seen if you compare what he was "pushing" while he was employed with CNN and then FOX.

Quoting lulapilgrim,
we are up against and are willing to keep America from falling into the domination and tyranny of a one world government

There is no threat of falling into some fictitious one world government. This is propaganda being spread to influence those who are easily motivated by fear.

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Quoting lulapilgrim,
There is only one New World Order forming, but it has many different factions contributing, working toward its main goal which is world socialist dictatorship. The American Humanist Association is but one of these factions. Besides militant Secular and Atheistic Humanists, other factions working towards a NWO are Radical Feminism and Radical Environmentalism

Quoting Smoothseas,
This is propaganda being spread to influence those who are easily motivated by fear.

Yes, the One World Order is being formed and it will choose evil over good.

Quoting Smoothseas,
There is no threat of falling into some fictitious one world government.

"Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come as a revolt first and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself as if he were God." 2Thess. 2:3-4.

The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as a One World Order revolt where all these factions come together and led by the antichrist rise against the Catholic Church who is the only one that will stand against it.

 

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December 6, 2011 10:05:09 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Lula, I have told you many times that you guys have purposefully made enemies of the whole world ... and now you see your chickens coming home to roost. Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha. Everyone chooses evil over good ... whenever they oppose RCC dogma ... we are used to that by now you know. Speaking in parables is akin to speaking with forked tongues ... manipulate-able truths, got to love it. You get “The New World Order” out of that mystical book of yours huh … “The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as …” you are joking right??? So the world at large is cooperating (WTF) in a conspiracy to overthrow the RCC huh … besides you guys who cares? It is easy to see how one gets into a predicament like this … zero friends implies many enemies. Too bad they are mostly self-imposed … that is where you lose a lot of my sympathy though.

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December 8, 2011 9:29:32 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting BoobzTwo,
Lula, I have told you many times that you guys have purposefully made enemies of the whole world ... and now you see your chickens coming home to roost. Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha. Everyone chooses evil over good ... whenever they oppose RCC dogma ... we are used to that by now you know. Speaking in parables is akin to speaking with forked tongues ... manipulate-able truths, got to love it. You get “The New World Order” out of that mystical book of yours huh … “The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as …” you are joking right??? So the world at large is cooperating (WTF) in a conspiracy to overthrow the RCC huh … besides you guys who cares? It is easy to see how one gets into a predicament like this … zero friends implies many enemies. Too bad they are mostly self-imposed … that is where you lose a lot of my sympathy though.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that "Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: behold this is new, for it hath already gone before in the ages that were before us."

The opposition between those for or against God has been going on since the fall of the Adam and Eve and will continue until the end of the world. All through the ages, people

choose to believe or not believe God.

choose to Love or hate God. 

choose to obey God's commands or transgress His commands.

choose to strive to do His will or follow the desires of their corrupt hearts, and love the world and themselves above all things as if it were their god. 

choose to do Good or evil.

choose the Light or darkness.

That Christ was hated and had enemies is nothing new. That down through the ages, His Church is hated and has enemies is nothing new. Christ warned it would be this way and it has been like this since 33AD.  St. John chapters 15 and 16 explain it all quite clearly. Verse 18, Christ states, "If the world hates you, know that it hated Me before it hated you.   He said "the world loves its own.." And we see that sure is true.

But Christ gives us great consolation in dealing with the world...He says the world will rejoice while we are weeping and lamenting and being persecuted but, it won't be forever before our sorrow will turn to joy. He said "in the world, you will have great tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Quoting BoobzTwo,
Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha.

Yep, the CC is definitely going through some tough storms, but those who persevere in Faith, Hope and Charity  have nothing to fear as Christ promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church and the Holy Spirit is guiding her and will until the end of the world.

Actually, BT, it's the world, those in the world who choose not to believe, to hate God, to disobey Him, to do evil (sin), and prefer the darkness  who are in trouble....grave trouble. They are in the same position as all those impious people of the corrupt world of Noah's day. God gave them 120 years to repent before He let loose His wrath upon them. They remained determined to walk on the road of ruin and they all perished except those who were in the Ark.

Well, the Ark is a type of the Catholic Church. There was only one ark of safety and there is only one Church in which there is salvation. ( I mentioned this in the other blog). The Ark was designed and built according to God's direction and so was the CC founded by Christ.  The Ark didn't sink in the Great  Flood, bieng protected and guided by God, and even so the CC won't sink amid the storms of hatred and persuction that surrounds her today and will in the future when all the forces of evil come together against her.

 

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Lula, you are foolish at times. Since when does my disbelief in any god have to do with hating anything let alone whoever you choose to submit your whole life to? The only people I know who hate everyone else and everything they stand for and … that would be you RCC guys. You like to choose everyone’s words for them but they are not realistic in many cases. How in the world could I hate something I do not believe in … do you know how silly this sounds? That is as silly as asking me to prove that your one God doesn’t exist … ditto. You brought up the Ark once before and I asked you then if you really wanted to go there … you declined … then you brought it up again and again??? For the most part I couldn’t care less about religion(s) or how people practice them or what and why they believe in them … I just don’t care. I really don’t care what else you do with it … just keep it out of our schools. Why would I choose to do ‘evil’ things … just because I do not believe in God … are you actually that crazy??? Do you know what the Earthly penalties are for doing ‘evil’ things … you have to be joking??? But that is beside the point. I do have many problems with the RCC though as I hold them directly responsible for the withholding and destruction of much of our past accomplishments and knowledge in the hopes of keeping the sheeple docile and ignorant. I blame them for hundreds of thousands of brutal murders, torture and dismemberment, countless lies and deceits, thieving, plundering and mass murdering including infanticide. I guess this kind of crap is ok in your god’s eye … so it is probably cool to you guys too I suppose. How nice it must be to always get that ‘Seal of Approval’ whenever you want to steal, maim or kill stuff (even the livestock and vegitation).

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