kfc posts: 115
Although I do agree with you there is unity in the body of Christ. We just are not looking at it with the same definition. The church to you is the RCC. Not to me. To me it's believers of all walks and denominations.
The Catholic CHruch alone fits the religion and the Chruch of the Holy Bible. Your definition of "the church" is unBiblical....it is found nowhere in the Holy Bible.
Your definition of "the church" comes from one of the Protestant forefathers, probably Calvin, and it has been handed down to you through Protestant oral tradition.
Your definition of "the Chuuch" does not fit with Ephesians 4: 2-6, 2 With all humility and mildness, with patience, supporting one another in charity. 3 Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
Amongst individual believers from every walk and amongst all the various and diverse denominations, there is no "one body", no "one Spirit", no unity of "one faith"; there is no "one baptism".
Your definition of "the Church" does not fit with the Church of the Holy Bible that Christ established and placed under the delegated , universal headship of St.Peter, the first Pope. St. Matt. 16:18-19.
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
In fact your definition effectively says that CHrist didn't keep His promise and that the gates of Hell did prevail against His Chruch built upon St.Peter.
The Bible shows that Christ, the Good Shepherd, called His Chruch, a "sheepfold" which He placedin the care of earthly shepherds, starting with St.peter. St.John 21: 15-17.
15 ......Jesus saith to Simon Peter:...... Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
"Feed my sheep" is OUr LOrd fulfilling HIs promise to St. Peter; St. Matt. 16:19; by charging him with the superintendency of all His sheep, without exception; and consequently of His whole flock, that is, of His own church.
We are no longer in need of the Priestly system...Jewish or otherwise. That's why the RCC with the whole priesthood order is not in line with the scriptures. That whole system has been done away with. The RCC picked it back up after the destruction of the Temple but they were never supposed to. That's not according to script.
Your attempt to besmirch the CC one more time is evidence you know little of the Holy Bible.
The Bible p;roves that Christ instituted a priesthood according to the order of Melchisedech Heb. 7:5-20, made up of "ambassodors" of Christ, such as are Catholic Priests 2Cor. 5:20.
If you had read the Books of Acts, you would know that the Apostles, St. Paul appointed other "fit men" to continue with the mission to preach, teach and baptize in Christ's name...by the Sacrament of the laying on of hands. Christ is the Eternal High Priest and He gavie4 his authority to bind and loose and to forgive sins first to His Apostles and they in turn as we learn from Acts, ordained successors.
The Bible shows that St.Peter had successros and he told them to continue feeding Christ's flock..and that Christ is to be the model of priests and the laity...1St.Peter 5:1-4, 10-11
1 The ancients therefore that are among you, I beseech, who am myself also an ancient, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ: as also a partaker of that glory which is to be revealed in time to come: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking care of it, not by constraint, but willingly, according to God: not for filthy lucre's sake, but voluntarily: 3 Neither as lording it over the clergy, but being made a pattern of the flock from the heart. 4 And when the prince of pastors shall appear, you shall receive a never fading crown of glory. 5 In like manner, ye young men, be subject to the ancients. And do you all insinuate humility one to another, for God resisteth the proud, but to the humble he giveth grace.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us into his eternal glory in Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little, will himself perfect you, and confirm you, and establish you. 11 To him be glory and empire for ever and ever. Amen.
Note that St.Peter mentions the ancients and that fits to a "t" with the Ap;ostles and ancients who were at the Council of Jerusalem.
The Bible proves that the Chruch Christ established was to be in modern language, a self perpetuating Spiritual system, One of the evidences of this was the selection of Matthias to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Judas Acts. 1:26.