Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,
But to call Israel the Harlot of Revelation 17
is just bad theology.
First of all..yes, Israel did play the harlot by being unfaithful to God in the OT. What you didn't mention nor did this Mr. Pike is the fact that AFTER their exile to Babylon (Babylonian 70 year captivity) they never did go back into idolatry like they did pre-exile. In other words, their playing of the Harlot had ended with their release. They had learned their lesson. But playing the harlot (small h) is a big difference than the description much later of the MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS. That's who this woman of Babylon is. Jerusalem, Israel, the Jews...etc do not fit this description. .........
That's not what Rev 17 is talking about. This is the real whore. In fact she's called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS. And that's a whole lot different than Israel who is and will always be the apple of his eye.
You’ve made 3 assertions: 1--Jerusalem/Israel doesn’t fit the description of “the harlot” or “woman of Babylon” in Apoc. 17-18. 2---Ancient Israel was a harlot but after her exile to Babylon, she learned her lesson, stayed faithful to God and His laws 3---(Unbelieving, Christ-rejecting) Israel today is and will always be the apple of God’s eye!
You’re wrong on all three.
Starting with the pertinent passages of Apocalypse 17.
 ...Come, I will show thee the condemnation of the great harlot, who sitteth upon many waters,  With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication; and they who inhabit the earth, have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredom....And I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
 And the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet, and gilt with gold, and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her fornication.  And on her forehead a name was written: A mystery; Babylon the great, the mother of the fornications, and the abominations of the earth.
 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration.  And the angel said to me: Why... wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast…
 And he said to me: The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sits, are peoples, and nations, and tongues.
 And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.
 And the woman which thou saw is the great city, which hath kingdom over the kings of the earth.
You should be able to see in Verses 1 through 18, the whoredom is accentuated by the way similar words are repeated throughout the context.
Notice "the great harlot", "a woman", "the woman" "Babylon the Great, mother of fornications", and "the woman which thou saw is the great city" are all symbols of the same thing.
Yes, some of these symbols could be interpreted to mean ancient pagan Rome, but I have to discard that because when these symbolic descriptions are put together with other Scriptural passages, Rome doesn’t fit.
For example, here's one passage that shows “the woman” doesn’t fit as ancient Rome. Verse 6...And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration. “The woman” can't be ancient Rome because St. John never, ever thought of ancient Rome "with great admiration", yet, he did have "great admiration" for ancient Jerusalem. That may have been why it was such a mystery to him.
St.John describes “a woman" on whose forehead is written “Babylon the Great” "drunk with the blood of the saints..." and was shown "a great city" which I think is ancient Jerusalem.
So, yes, while SOME these symbolic descriptions fit ancient Rome SOME of the time, they all fit Jerusalem and/or apostate Israel every time. Put these symbolic descriptions together with other Scriptural passages and these symbolic descriptions turn out to be Jerusalem and/or apostate Israel.
Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,
Nowhere in scripture is Israel ever referred to as Babylon. Zion. Yes. Babylon. Never.
You’re technically correct. But you know as well as I that The Apocalypse is to be interpreted as a set of symbols that represent various spiritual and physical truths. Some, like Mr. Pike and me, think those descriptions in Apoc. 17-18 represent Jerusalem and Israel. Put those symbolic descriptions together with other Scriptural passages (as shown in my reply 29) and the connection of both ancient and modern day apostate Jerusalem/ Israel to “Babylon the Great” is unmistakable.
Here’s how St. John links "the great harlot", "a woman", "the woman" "Babylon the Great, mother of fornications", and "the great city” to Babylon.
Apoc. 11:8, the dead bodies of the two witnesses "lie in the streets of “the great city” (hey polis megaley Greek) which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified”. This unmistakably implies that “Babylon” and “the great city are the same city… Jerusalem.
17:5 says on the woman’s (who is the great city) forehead a name is written, "Babylon the Great" and 7 times other Scriptural passages refer to "Babylon" as "the great city".
17:1-2, "....Come I will show you the judgment of the great harlot, ….."
Isaias 1:21 accused Jerusalem of harlotry. We know “the great city” refers to Jerusalem, so it follows “the judgment of the great harlot” refers to the judgment of Jerusalem.
17:18, “And the woman which thou saw is the great city, which hath kingdom over the kings of the earth.” “….the great city…” here is the same Greek hey polis megaley which use clearly refers to Jerusalem.
18:24; 16:6, “And in her (“the woman which thou saw is the great city) was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”
KFC, So there you have it…the object of God’s judgment is the great city “that shed the blood of the prophets and saints." Goes exactly with Apoc. 17:6 “And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (as related in the Book of Acts).
“The great city” that shed the blood of the prophets and saints is also “the harlot”, “the woman”, and “Babylon the Great” which was St. John’s code for Jerusalem.
Connect that to Apoc. 18 and St. Matt. 23 for more proof….
18: 10, “Standing afar off for fear of her torments, saying alas! Alas! that great city Babylon, that mighty city; for in one hour is thy judgment come.”
18:19, “And they cast dust upon their heads and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, Alas! alas! that great city wherein all were made rich, that had ships at sea by reason of her prices, : for in one hour she is made desolate.”
Our Lord Jesus said the same when He spoke of Jerusalem.
In St. Matt. 23 Jesus announced the 7 woes upon the religious leaders of Jerusalem. You know those religious leaders, the Pharisees that assumed the Seat of Moses, as well as the ones who totally rejected the Supernatural Messias Christ, saying “We have no king but Caesar”!
Verses 37-39, Of Jerusalem, Christ said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killed the prophets and stoned them that are sent to you! How often would I have gathered together thy children as the hen does gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldst not. 38 Behold your house shall be left to you, desolate. 39 For I say to you, you shall not see me from now until you shall say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”
KFC, Israel shall be made “desolate”. Where did we hear that before? How does that tie Israel to the harlot and show the judgment that is upon her. Apoc. 17:  And the ten horns which thou saw in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.
St. Matt. 23:39 is most interesting.
“For I say to you, you shall not see me from now until you shall say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”
This is the condition on any reversing of St.Matt. 23:38’s “desolate”. This clause indicates that if the desolation is to be altered, the Jews must accept Christ as the Blessed one of God. St. Paul’s answer to St.Matt. 23:39 is outlined in Romans 10:18-11:14, by references to the “remnant” or “some” of Israel who will turn to Christ which as the Book of Acts records is in process of fulfillment. Acts. 2:1-3:26; 15:16-18.
Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,
If you wish to believe Babylon and Israel are the same. Go for it. You can't prove it by scripture. …..
I just did.