The Things an Eighteen Year Old Can and Can't do

Let there be booze!

By on May 14, 2007 3:06:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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 An Eighteen year old can, Marry, have children, go to work, Raise children. look out for their welfare.

 An eighteen year old can operate heavy machinery, Drive a car, Climb tall buildings walk on a thin piece of iron to weld it together.

An eighteen year old can go to war, die for his country, carry deadly weapons in war and in peace.

Operate helicopters, repair them too.

Vote for the President, their Senator, their representative in the house, the Mayor of the city they live in, the Governor of the state they reside in.

In other words they have every right and responsibility a 21 year old, a 30 year old, a 50 year old , a 90 year old person has except for one thing.

SIMPLY THEY CANNOT BELLY up to a bar and have a beer if they want one. I find this insane, demeaning to them and downright silly to deny a returning hero from a war, the right to have a beer with his father in a bar to celebrate his safe return, all because he is 17, 18, 19 or 20 years of age!

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May 14, 2007 3:13:10 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
When I turned 21 I had a husband, a 3 year old, 3 jobs (part-time), 3 years of college education, and a baby on the way.

I think I coulda used a drink. LOL.

(Actually, the first time I bought alcohol I was 6 months pregnant and I bought a six pack of beer for my 20 year old husband)

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May 14, 2007 3:35:29 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
yup It is pretty stupid.
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May 14, 2007 3:36:27 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
oops double post

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May 14, 2007 3:46:04 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
Texas WahineMay 14, 2007 15:13:10


When I turned 21 I had a husband, a 3 year old, 3 jobs (part-time), 3 years of college education, and a baby on the way.

I think I coulda used a drink. LOL.

(Actually, the first time I bought alcohol I was 6 months pregnant and I bought a six pack of beer for my 20 year old husband)


was adrian in the army then? Had he been to Iraq?
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May 14, 2007 3:48:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)Poison5May 14, 2007 15:35:29


yup It is pretty stupid.


stupid to the extreme.
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May 14, 2007 3:51:21 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
No, he's only been in 4 years (recently aced the board for SSG, too, woohoo).

Back then he was just working, going to college, being a husband, and being a daddy. In recent years he has become quite the fan of beer. LOL.
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May 14, 2007 4:04:50 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I live in Louisiana and up until 7 or so years ago an 18 year old could drink legally but by law they could not purchase said alcohol. I have seen what an 18 year old who can legally drink does and it really isn't all that different from what a 21 year old does. They go to the bar a lot, drink way too much and usually end up behind the wheel of a car because they are invincible.

The difference though is that usually by 21 most of them have it out of their system. They have learned to drink more responsibly.

When I first started drinking outside of my home I was reckless. There were only two ways to be... sober and way too drunk. It didn't matter what my age I was. I was still going to go through the stupid stage.
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May 14, 2007 4:10:44 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
i'll sign the petition to change the law...that's a belief i've had since i was underage (19+years ago)

i did hear years back tho,....that a soldier can buy a drink legally on a base with such a place....any truth to that?
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May 14, 2007 4:15:52 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
When Adrian was home between Afghanistan and Iraq (and before we got pregnant with Izzy) we would sometimes drink on Saturday nights while watching SNL (kids in bed).

Once he got a call from some of his Soldiers asking him to come pick them up because they were in Honolulu and drunk.

He had to tell them, sorry, I've been drinking. Call a cab or get a hotel.

We drink at home, LOL.

I guess it was good the guys didn't just drive drunk. Then again, I doubt they had a car.
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May 14, 2007 4:16:46 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
Umm, no. No truth to that.
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May 14, 2007 4:31:34 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
Umm, no. No truth to that.


i heard this about 20 years ago (give or take) but i did a lil research, and came up with this that supports it...

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REGULATIONSALLOW MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE MILI-TARY WHO ARE UNDER21TO CONSUME AL-COHOL IN CONTROLLED SITUATIONS.And what about this “Old Enough to Fight…Old Enough toDrink” argument? Well, the fact is, if your child has volun-teered to serve in the military, when the going gets tough, thereis a good chance he or she will be allowed to have a drink.In the "old days" anyone on active military duty could consumealcohol on military installations, regardless of the legal drinkingage off-base.However, in the mid-80’s federal law waschanged requiring military installation commanders to adopt thesame drinking age as the state the military base is located in.At all oversees military installations, the drinking age is 18unless international treaties or agreements mandate a higherage. So if your child is risking his or her life overseas, andthere is no treaty prohibiting alcohol on base, he or she maydrink at 18.In addition, the commander of a military installation may waivethe drinking age requirements state-side, if such commanderdetermines that the exemption is justified by special circum-stances. Special circumstances are those infrequent, non-routinemilitary occasions when an entire unit, as a group, marks at amilitary installation a uniquely military occasion such as theconclusion of arduous military duty or the anniversary of theestablishment of a military service or organization. The eventmust be held on a military installation. The commander is re-quired to ensure that appropriate controls are in place to preventendangering Military Service members or the surrounding com-munity.Therefore, the fact that an 18-year-old can serve in the militarydoes not negate all the other reasons the drinking age shouldremain at 21 for those who choose not to volunteer for such adangerous assignment.

the page was a PDF, which i hate dealing with,,,if ya wanna check it out, go here...
www.jocostop.org/PDF%20Files/STOP%20Newsetter%202006--pub%202003.pdf
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May 14, 2007 4:36:35 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)just johnMay 14, 2007 16:04:50Reply


I live in Louisiana and up until 7 or so years ago an 18 year old could drink legally but by law they could not purchase said alcohol. I have seen what an 18 year old who can legally drink does and it really isn't all that different from what a 21 year old does. They go to the bar a lot, drink way too much and usually end up behind the wheel of a car because they are invincible.

The difference though is that usually by 21 most of them have it out of their system. They have learned to drink more responsibly.

When I first started drinking outside of my home I was reckless. There were only two ways to be... sober and way too drunk. It didn't matter what my age I was. I was still going to go through the stupid stage.


I grew up in NYC and was real big for my age at 15, I even had a moustache, I use to bar hop all the time and never got asked for I.D.
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May 14, 2007 4:37:54 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)Sean Conners aka SConn1May 14, 2007 16:10:44


i'll sign the petition to change the law...that's a belief i've had since i was underage (19+years ago)

i did hear years back tho,....that a soldier can buy a drink legally on a base with such a place....any truth to that?


I was in the Marines in 1964 onward, I could not go to the E.M. club and drink legally. I have no idea what is happening now.
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May 14, 2007 4:39:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)Texas WahineMay 14, 2007 16:15:52


Once he got a call from some of his Soldiers asking him to come pick them up because they were in Honolulu and drunk.

He had to tell them, sorry, I've been drinking. Call a cab or get a hotel.


that was smart of Adrian, {for someone in the Army that is} heh heh heh
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May 14, 2007 4:44:36 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
Sean Conners aka SConn1May 14, 2007 16:31:34


DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REGULATIONSALLOW MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE MILI-TARY WHO ARE UNDER21TO CONSUME AL-COHOL IN CONTROLLED SITUATIONS. And what about this “Old Enough to Fight…Old Enough to Drink” argument? Well, the fact is, if your child has volunteered to serve in the military, when the going gets tough, there is a good chance he or she will be allowed to have a drink. In the "old days" anyone on active military duty could consume alcohol on military installations, regardless of the legal drinking age off-base. However, in the mid-80’s federal law was changed requiring military installation commanders to adopt the same drinking age as the state the military base is located in.At all oversees military installations, the drinking age is 18unless international treaties or agreements mandate a higher age. So if your child is risking his or her life overseas, and there is no treaty prohibiting alcohol on base, he or she may drink at 18.In addition, the commander of a military installation may waive the drinking age requirements state-side, if such commander determines that the exemption is justified by special circumstances. Special circumstances are those infrequent, non-routine military occasions when an entire unit, as a group, marks at a military installation a uniquely military occasion such as the conclusion of arduous military duty or the anniversary of the establishment of a military service or organization. The event must be held on a military installation. The commander is required to ensure that appropriate controls are in place to prevent endangering Military Service members or the surrounding community. Therefore, the fact that an 18-year-old can serve in the military does not negate all the other reasons the drinking age should remain at 21 for those who choose not to volunteer for such a dangerous assignment.

the page was a PDF, which i hate dealing with,,,if ya wanna check it out, go here...
www.jocostop.org/PDF%20Files/STOP%20Newsetter%202006--pub%202003.pdf


that's real interesting, but way after my time { I feel so old} shit I am old.
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May 14, 2007 4:57:20 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I also feel it's stupid to not allow a legal adult to drink if they choose.

I hit it at the right time I guess. When I turned 18 the legal drinking age was 18 and it didn't raise to 21 until I was over 21.
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May 14, 2007 5:10:50 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I don't know. Even when they do Right Arm night they still don't let underage guys drink. Not that the 18-20 year olds can't get an older Soldier or civie to buy alcohol for them.

Heh, and I tend to agree with Mason. Either you're a legal adult or you're not.

I remember test driving a car when I was like 19 and I had to have my mom go with me because I wasn't legally old enough to do it. I think there are some gambling/raffle things where you have to be 25.

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May 14, 2007 5:30:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
MasonMMay 14, 2007 16:57:20


also feel it's stupid to not allow a legal adult to drink if they choose.

I hit it at the right time I guess. When I turned 18 the legal drinking age was 18 and it didn't raise to 21 until I was over 21.


When I was drinking in bars at 15 I remember kids from Connecticut, Pennsylvania and New jersey coming to NYC to drink because their states were 21 to drink and New York state was 18.
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May 14, 2007 5:31:10 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)Texas WahineMay 14, 2007 17:10:50


I don't know. Even when they do Right Arm night they still don't let underage guys drink. Not that the 18-20 year olds can't get an older Soldier or civie to buy alcohol for them.

Heh, and I tend to agree with Mason. Either you're a legal adult or you're not.

I remember test driving a car when I was like 19 and I had to have my mom go with me because I wasn't legally old enough to do it. I think there are some gambling/raffle things where you have to be 25.


some states you can marry at 15 or 16, and drive a car too.. what's up with that?
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May 15, 2007 1:08:52 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I agree that it is a stupid law. Stupid in that it doesn't allow an 18 year old to experience something that I believe is necessary for them to do, especially to see how they handle themselves, or possibly to see just how bad they will be afterwards. I don't support or agree with anyone drinking and driving and I realise that some 18 year olds are too stupid to even drink on their own or with their peers, that would be an atom bomb effect. However, under controlled environment, especially girls, just so that they know how to handle themselves and what not to do, it would be good for them to experience and be aware!

I realise in saying this some people won't agree with me, but believe me, I started drinking at 17, I know what I'm talking about! And yes, if I could, I would let my daughter drink at home and then afterwards, sit and chat about the ramifications of doing that. Although I've talked with her about the consequences and the different senarios, if she knows what alchohol tastes like, she will know even better what I'm talking about!
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May 15, 2007 8:44:16 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I grew up the same time as Mason.  It was legal when I was 18, and did not turn to 21 until I was well over it.

I dont know it the law does any good, as from what  I have heard, 18 year olds find ways to get alcohol. legal or not.

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May 15, 2007 8:51:53 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I had my Ps (legally allowed to drive but blood alcohol limit of 0.02) at 16 and could drink legally at 18.

If you're old enough to vote then you're old enough to drink and you're more than old enough to drive.
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May 15, 2007 9:29:09 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
I agree. I think there should be one age that you become a legally responsible adult and that should be all there is to it. I personally don't think people automatically get smarter or more responsible as they get older. Some do and some are as immature and irresponsible at 60 as others were at 16.
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May 15, 2007 9:50:01 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)foreverserenityMay 15, 2007 01:08:52


I realise that some 18 year olds are too stupid to even drink on their own or with their peers, that would be an atom bomb effect.


The same could be said about any age group, I got clean and sober because I could not handle drugs and alcohol.. any time I did either I did them to the EXTREME AND HAD CONSEQUENCES.
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May 15, 2007 9:51:12 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums
(Citizen)Dr GuyMay 15, 2007 08:44:16


I dont know it the law does any good, as from what I have heard, 18 year olds find ways to get alcohol. legal or not.


I am in agreement with you here, I know I never had any problem getting booze at 12, or drugs either.
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